Evilcry1, and proprietary software

Michel Godfroid

Today, a new contributor http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=7098780#About[^] was forced into removing his article http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3443860/How-I-Can-Delete-my-Article-and-Account.aspx[^]from the code project because it referred to proprietary (paying) software. If the self appointed zealots keep this up, I vote that we remove any article that: - Refers to any version of Windows; Windows is a proprietary, paying operating system. - Refers to any version of visual studio professional; Visual studio is a paying IDE. - Refers to any version of Sourcesafe or TFS: paying products. - Refers to any version of Oracle: Paying products - Refers to any version IIS: Not free. Instead we will occupy ourselves with GNU compiler, the Mono project, and Linux. Get a life, mates, most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do. Oh, and don't hesitate to support Evilcry1.

Rama Krishna Vavilala

What was the article about?

Kent Sharkey

I disagree: some versions of Linux can be purchased, therefore they must be ignored as well! ;P I agree with you: Evilcry's article wasn't a problem and should have stayed.

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Michel Godfroid

It was about filtering IP-packets, using some filtering library, which was not open source. He's removed it since then, so I can't really refer to it. I just glanced at it, but indeed the comments were flaming. His web site is here: http://evilcodecave.blogspot.com/[^] Doesn't look like an idiot, definitely an asset for the code project.

Jim Crafton

Looks like he yanked his account as well. Bummer.

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Lost User

Michel Godfroid wrote:

most of us are professional programmers here, and we intend to at least buy a sandwich from what we do.

How is this even related to your point? Or are you arguing that we should be allowed to advertise our own non-free software, as was not the case in Evilcry's article?

Lost User

Thank you for the support, I really appreciate it :) I'll republish the article and successive (yeah I planned to write a set of articles) on my blog. About the question I think, that to show how works a certain software, commercial or not is not a crime or spam, I casually discovered the software in question and I've founded it a Valid (in 10 years I've seen various bad Filtering Systems) and Flexible solution. The intent was easly to say "hey people here a good library..and here what you can do and how works" and hopefully this will help some coder. Nothing more, also because I'm not the author of the sw in question :) after this bad experience my first and last article here. Just wanted to renovate my appreciation for your words. Have a nice Day, Giuseppe

hammerstein05

You shouldn't be discouraged from posting. There are a lot of competent fair professionals on this site. When it comes to criticism take a look at the people who posted 1's. Only one of the reviewers had posted articles, the rest weren't serious contributers to this site.

PIEBALDconsult

harold aptroot wrote:

we should be allowed to advertise our own non-free software

No, advertising your own (or your company's) non-free software is not good except under "product showcase", right? On my last job I had to use MapPoint a little bit, I would hope that I could write an article about doing something tricky with that without trouble.

realJSOP

I haven't seen the article (and now it looks like I won't), but... When someone writes an article that requires a commercial 3rd party product, and that 3rd party product is not widely used, it's not really received well here. I would never write an article that utilized or required a commercial product in order to make the code in the article work.

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Michel Godfroid

Evilcry1 was NOT advertising his own software. He was using a commercial library, which he thought was good. There's nothing wrong with commercial software, if you offer a service, you expect to make a living out of it. What we do in the code project is help other people to become better developers, free, and no strings attached. What we the seniors, get from it, is a reputation, and trough that reputation, employment opportunities, or indeed the chance to flog our software. What we offer is counsel to fledgling developers, who may remain hobbyists all their life (nothing wrong with that) and are just interested in IT, or we may get them to the path of fame and glory, and be the next Google. (Nothing wrong with that either).

DaveyM69

His account has been removed now too - I agree with your sentiments.

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Lost User

Michel Godfroid wrote:

Evilcry1 was NOT advertising his own software.

I'm glad we agree on that, but.. I still don't get what that part of your post that I quoted is supposed to mean As to the rest of your post.. ok? (you are aware that I'm not exactly new to CP either, right? :) )

ragnaroknrol

For those that want to see the blog he was referring to. Fixed link[^] Tearing apart malicious code to figure out how it ticks and to defeat it is way above me. I would have loved to have seen some of his articles on CP.

modified on Monday, April 19, 2010 2:19 PM

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

That's a fine and understandable position for you to take. But it shouldn't preclude someone else from posting an article that uses 3rd party commercial software. Especially if they have no connection to the third-party-software in question. A lot of the examples and posted here use .NET and Visual Studio, SQL Server, C#, etc. All commercial software, and none of which you can get for free. The idea here is to help one another and share: which was evilcry's only intention. I didn't see the article, but perhaps a disclaimer at the beginning (if it wasn't present) would have been helpful.

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Michel Godfroid

True, I must admit that his article didn't really strike a chord here, because it referred to some software that I didn't have. Not really interested in filtering packets either :-). But the same thing applies to Delphi programming: I don't look at any Delphi Programming, I wish the world would get rid of the bloody thing, and that the inventor of Delphi would rot in hell, together with the idiot who thought up JavaScript. Now if someone wants to post an article on Delphi, I'll quietly ignore him, check my pacemaker, and take my prescription pills. I Won't flame him.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Please repost the article. I'll put in my 2 cents to see it gets published.

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Marc Clifton · modified on Monday, April 19, 2010 2:19 PM

Well, it appears his entire account has been deleted. Interesting. Marc

ragnaroknrol

He requested it as was mentioned here. CM obliged. I got to the site from his profile before the deletion and thought others might want to as well.

Jim Crafton

Michel Godfroid wrote:

the inventor of Delphi would rot in hell

You mean the same guy who came up with C#/.Net? :)

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