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  • RaviBeeR RaviBee

    Hmm, I'm beginning to think I may have bad RAM in my box (although I haven't encountered problems with any other software). I was paused at a breakpoint in method A.foo() at a call to B.bar(). When I attempted to step into B.Bar(), control was transferred to the middle of a method that is 2 call frames below B.Bar(). I have several disabled breakpoints in existence, but none match the location to where control was transfered! Strange... /ravi

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    Scott Dorman
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    Out of curiosity, have you tried the following: 1. Perform a "Clean Build" 2. Shutdown Visual Studio and physically delete all /bin/* and /obj/* folders 3. Delete the .suo file for the solution Some of the behavior you just described sounds like a mismatch between the .pdb files and the object files used for debugging. Try these steps and then try your debug session again and see if you get better results.

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      I get some pretty weird behaviour if I have multiple files with the same name (in different projects in the same solution) Breakpoints randomly think they belong to the other file.. and weird things happen when they think that and the location at which they would be is not a breakable point Not as weird as what you describe though

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      Scott Dorman
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      Try the steps I mention here[^] and see if you get better behavior.

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      • RaviBeeR RaviBee

        OK, I never thought I'd write a post about why something sucks, but I'm fast losing patience with VS2010. For all its shiny chrome and (admittedly cool) "Call Hierarchy" and "Navigate To" commands (something Eclipse has had for at least 7 years :)) what good is an IDE if the debugger randomly interprets a "Step Out" and "Step Over" as a "Run"!? I'm debugging a suite of .NET smoke test projects (stuff I've done reliably and without pain in all previous VS versions since .NET 1.1) and have reached a breakpoint in a suspect method. Stepping statement by statement in the method sometimes causes the IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line. Anyone else experience this? I'm unable to find references to this madness on the web. (FWIW, I'm debugging over remote desktop, but that shouldn't matter.) /ravi

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        Time to buy that new keyboard :)

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        • RaviBeeR RaviBee

          OK, I never thought I'd write a post about why something sucks, but I'm fast losing patience with VS2010. For all its shiny chrome and (admittedly cool) "Call Hierarchy" and "Navigate To" commands (something Eclipse has had for at least 7 years :)) what good is an IDE if the debugger randomly interprets a "Step Out" and "Step Over" as a "Run"!? I'm debugging a suite of .NET smoke test projects (stuff I've done reliably and without pain in all previous VS versions since .NET 1.1) and have reached a breakpoint in a suspect method. Stepping statement by statement in the method sometimes causes the IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line. Anyone else experience this? I'm unable to find references to this madness on the web. (FWIW, I'm debugging over remote desktop, but that shouldn't matter.) /ravi

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          Abhinav S
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          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

          IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line

          Are you sure Visual Studio 2010 is out of beta? :doh:

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          • RaviBeeR RaviBee

            Amazing - I was just about to post a reply about something similar! I find if I have only one document visible at any time (i.e. tabbed mode with only one tab group displayed), things appear to work fine.  The moment I fake MDI by displaying two documents (my preferred mode of working until VS2010 nixed MDI) things tend to go haywire.  It's possible that the UI is causing breakpoint associations to get munged. /ravi

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            Allen Anderson
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            I haven't installed vs.net 2010 yet but you say it doesn't do MDI anymore??? I hope that's not the case. That's the only mode I like to work in. I always have multiple windows open and visible.

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            • RaviBeeR RaviBee

              OK, I never thought I'd write a post about why something sucks, but I'm fast losing patience with VS2010. For all its shiny chrome and (admittedly cool) "Call Hierarchy" and "Navigate To" commands (something Eclipse has had for at least 7 years :)) what good is an IDE if the debugger randomly interprets a "Step Out" and "Step Over" as a "Run"!? I'm debugging a suite of .NET smoke test projects (stuff I've done reliably and without pain in all previous VS versions since .NET 1.1) and have reached a breakpoint in a suspect method. Stepping statement by statement in the method sometimes causes the IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line. Anyone else experience this? I'm unable to find references to this madness on the web. (FWIW, I'm debugging over remote desktop, but that shouldn't matter.) /ravi

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              Gary R Wheeler
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              IIRC, VS2008 had a similar problem they corrected with a hotfix. Maybe they broke it again?

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              • RaviBeeR RaviBee

                OK, I never thought I'd write a post about why something sucks, but I'm fast losing patience with VS2010. For all its shiny chrome and (admittedly cool) "Call Hierarchy" and "Navigate To" commands (something Eclipse has had for at least 7 years :)) what good is an IDE if the debugger randomly interprets a "Step Out" and "Step Over" as a "Run"!? I'm debugging a suite of .NET smoke test projects (stuff I've done reliably and without pain in all previous VS versions since .NET 1.1) and have reached a breakpoint in a suspect method. Stepping statement by statement in the method sometimes causes the IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line. Anyone else experience this? I'm unable to find references to this madness on the web. (FWIW, I'm debugging over remote desktop, but that shouldn't matter.) /ravi

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                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                I have had this sort of thing happen with VS2008, and not just in test code.

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                • A Allen Anderson

                  I haven't installed vs.net 2010 yet but you say it doesn't do MDI anymore??? I hope that's not the case. That's the only mode I like to work in. I always have multiple windows open and visible.

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                  Yes, unfortunately they nixed MDI.  It's also my preferred mode of working.  Thankfully, you can have multiple windows open (tiled horizontally or vertically) but it requires a couple of extra mouse clicks to do this.  Unfortunately, the (apparently) buggy debugging makes this feature useless.  :( /ravi

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                  • A Abhinav S

                    Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                    IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line

                    Are you sure Visual Studio 2010 is out of beta? :doh:

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                    Theoretically, it is. :) /ravi

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                    • S Scott Dorman

                      Out of curiosity, have you tried the following: 1. Perform a "Clean Build" 2. Shutdown Visual Studio and physically delete all /bin/* and /obj/* folders 3. Delete the .suo file for the solution Some of the behavior you just described sounds like a mismatch between the .pdb files and the object files used for debugging. Try these steps and then try your debug session again and see if you get better results.

                      Scott Dorman

                      Microsoft® MVP - Visual C# | MCPD President - Tampa Bay IASA [Blog][Articles][Forum Guidelines]


                      Hey, hey, hey. Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai

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                      Yes, that was the first thing I tried.  I was hoping it was a .pdb mismatch. /ravi

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                      • G Gary R Wheeler

                        IIRC, VS2008 had a similar problem they corrected with a hotfix. Maybe they broke it again?

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                        Interesting.  I never experienced this in pre-VS2010. /ravi

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                        • RaviBeeR RaviBee

                          OK, I never thought I'd write a post about why something sucks, but I'm fast losing patience with VS2010. For all its shiny chrome and (admittedly cool) "Call Hierarchy" and "Navigate To" commands (something Eclipse has had for at least 7 years :)) what good is an IDE if the debugger randomly interprets a "Step Out" and "Step Over" as a "Run"!? I'm debugging a suite of .NET smoke test projects (stuff I've done reliably and without pain in all previous VS versions since .NET 1.1) and have reached a breakpoint in a suspect method. Stepping statement by statement in the method sometimes causes the IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line. Anyone else experience this? I'm unable to find references to this madness on the web. (FWIW, I'm debugging over remote desktop, but that shouldn't matter.) /ravi

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                          Never happened to me, but that's the beauty of VS2008: personalized bugs noone else canreproduce.

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                            Never happened to me, but that's the beauty of VS2008: personalized bugs noone else canreproduce.

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                            RaviBee
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                            Are you debugging .NET 3.5 assemblies?  (BTW, other Connect members are also able to repro this issue). /ravi

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                              OK, I never thought I'd write a post about why something sucks, but I'm fast losing patience with VS2010. For all its shiny chrome and (admittedly cool) "Call Hierarchy" and "Navigate To" commands (something Eclipse has had for at least 7 years :)) what good is an IDE if the debugger randomly interprets a "Step Out" and "Step Over" as a "Run"!? I'm debugging a suite of .NET smoke test projects (stuff I've done reliably and without pain in all previous VS versions since .NET 1.1) and have reached a breakpoint in a suspect method. Stepping statement by statement in the method sometimes causes the IDE to think I pressed "Run" (i.e. run to completion) which causes the test to continue running until it eventually fails down the line. Anyone else experience this? I'm unable to find references to this madness on the web. (FWIW, I'm debugging over remote desktop, but that shouldn't matter.) /ravi

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                              Did you have any of the betas running on that machine?

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                                Did you have any of the betas running on that machine?

                                But fortunately we have the nanny-state politicians who can step in to protect us poor stupid consumers, most of whom would not know a JVM from a frozen chicken. Bruce Pierson
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                                No. /ravi

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                                  Are you debugging .NET 3.5 assemblies?  (BTW, other Connect members are also able to repro this issue). /ravi

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                                  peterchen
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                                  Maybe I'm way to sarcastic for Microsoft Connect today.

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