Arrgghh WPF!
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
hammerstein05 wrote:
But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want.
In find it interesting that WPF is so complicated rich that I suspect it really isn't possible to create a designer for it. Perhaps that IS a design flaw. Marc
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
Maybe you should try VS2010. At the launch event in Las Vegas, the showed the new WPF designer and it looked quite easy to use. It also has a split window (if you want it) that shows the WYSIWIG view and the XAML view.
Karl - WK5M PP-ASEL-IA (N43CS) PGP Key: 0xDB02E193 PGP Key Fingerprint: 8F06 5A2E 2735 892B 821C 871A 0411 94EA DB02 E193
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
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.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Anything that can make me laugh when I am (supposed to be) completing my annual tax return is worth a 5! :laugh:
Soon, you will accept the fact that EVERYTHING I post here deserves a 5. Only then will you be allowed to leave the temple.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Soon, you will accept the fact that EVERYTHING I post here deserves a 5. Only then will you be allowed to leave the temple.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Your message is invalid because you incorrectly formatted the subject line. You should have titled it as follows: "Why WPF Sucks Today" As a result of your flagrant disregard for long-establish Lounge protocols, I've suggested that the site administrators penalize you 1000 reputation points from your user account. Repeated offenses will result in harsher penalties, among which are the following in order of increasing discomfort: 0) You'll be force to fly Quantas Airlines under the alias "Christian Graus" 1) You will be made to purchase a pointless Apple gadget, and register it with the manufacturer under the name "Christian Graus" 2) You will be given MVP status at Microsoft, only to have it immediately stripped from you for no apparent reason because you use the name "Christian Graus" on your Microsoft Live ID account. 3) You will be pummeled by the "soft cushions". 4) You will be forced to sit in "the comfy chair".
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001It was going to be a "why x sucks" post, but then it would have been a why I suck post. And I'm not posting that!
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
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Your message is invalid because you incorrectly formatted the subject line. You should have titled it as follows: "Why WPF Sucks Today" As a result of your flagrant disregard for long-establish Lounge protocols, I've suggested that the site administrators penalize you 1000 reputation points from your user account. Repeated offenses will result in harsher penalties, among which are the following in order of increasing discomfort: 0) You'll be force to fly Quantas Airlines under the alias "Christian Graus" 1) You will be made to purchase a pointless Apple gadget, and register it with the manufacturer under the name "Christian Graus" 2) You will be given MVP status at Microsoft, only to have it immediately stripped from you for no apparent reason because you use the name "Christian Graus" on your Microsoft Live ID account. 3) You will be pummeled by the "soft cushions". 4) You will be forced to sit in "the comfy chair".
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Jeez, no need for the Spanish Inquisition!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Jeez, no need for the Spanish Inquisition!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
When things get out of hand, you are forced to call out the big guns.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Soon, you will accept the fact that EVERYTHING I post here deserves a 5. Only then will you be allowed to leave the temple.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
The WPF designer sucks. I've been using it for 18 months now. I edit my XAML by hand, and use the designer simply as a preview function. The problem stems from the fact that the people who designed the designer (did I really type that?) don't get the essential fact behind the WPF layout system: It's intended for free-flow formatting. It's actually harder to make a fixed layout in WPF than one that flows. In order to make the XAML reflect the drag-and-drop layout, the designer clutters the XAML with a lot of spurious margin and padding settings that just get in the way.
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Maybe you should try VS2010. At the launch event in Las Vegas, the showed the new WPF designer and it looked quite easy to use. It also has a split window (if you want it) that shows the WYSIWIG view and the XAML view.
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krmed wrote:
It also has a split window (if you want it) that shows the WYSIWIG view and the XAML view.
That's in VS2008 too. I hear VS2010 has made some Silverlight improvements though (I've not yet installed VS2010, so I'm not too sure about that).
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krmed wrote:
It also has a split window (if you want it) that shows the WYSIWIG view and the XAML view.
That's in VS2008 too. I hear VS2010 has made some Silverlight improvements though (I've not yet installed VS2010, so I'm not too sure about that).
Took 1.5 hours to install after the download on Saturday, 08 and 10 run happily on the same machine, I like the shiny bits, still to get into actually doing anything yet.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
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Yes, I mean WPF. Why? Why does it have to be so difficult to layout a form? I enjoy using WinForms, but I realize that WPF and the lot are here to stay so I'm trying to learn. But why does the designer have to be so complex? I'm using VS2008, I'm trying to put labels and textboxes inside a grid. Talk about tricky. I liked the visual designer, they got it working really nicely in VS2005 and VS2008 didn't play with that formula. But, I'm having to go to the XAML and hand edit it to get the layout I want. Frustration!
Try using Expression Blend. I still prefer it over the XAML designer in VS 2010.
