10 Commandments
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And after the same morons start doing maintenance, you'll see stuff like:
const int IntTwo = 3;
If I found someone doing that, I would be hard pressed not to nuke their cube from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.
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I have been asked to work on our Code Review Procedure. This sort of thing: Pascal casing used for type and method names Camel casing used for local variable names and method arguments ... A single file should only contribute types to a single namespace. Avoid having multiple namespaces in the same file. Avoid files with more than 500 lines (excluding machine-generated code). Avoid methods with more than 25 lines. ... Never hard-code a numeric value, always declare a constant instead. ... I have the feeling it is missing what really make maintenance go bad. Things like re use existing classes, don't duplicate code, separate logic, data access, and display. Can anyone point me to some documents with good recommendations of this type. The idea is to minimize defect and certainly not to alienate the programmers (including me).
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Pascal Ganaye wrote:
Avoid methods with more than 25 lines.
That seems awfully low. Maybe for this newfangled stuff where you make a color gradient animation in one line of code, and all people goo "ooh" and "aah" and forget to ask what that software is for, but for real work? (admittedly, that's from the guy who has to maintain a 4KLOC switch statement)
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That seems awfully low
Not in the Java/C#/Linq world. For instance, in my code base of around 100,000 Lines, the maximum number of lines in a manually written method is 28. I think 25-30 is a reasonable maximum. Some Java frameworks have as much as 15 as the maximum.
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:wtf: I agree with most of the MS one... how'd that happen? :confused:
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I personally would prefer Don't hard-code a non trivial numeric value that appears, declare a constant instead. This is particularly true when the value appears more than once.
Pascal Ganaye wrote:
Don't hard-code a non trivial numeric value that appears, declare a constant instead. This is particularly true when the value appears more than once.
Any advice for how to best organize such declarations so they make sense? To be sure, automated tools make the layout less important than it would have been in the days when printouts were used a lot more, but I often find that I have constants which really don't "fit" in any of my "constants" areas. Also, btw, in VB I sometimes end up using constants cb1, cb2, etc. in places where I need a small byte value, since VB will squawk at "bytevar = bytevar or 1" but will accept "bytevar = bytevar or ByteConstantWhichEqualsOne" without complaint. What would have been nicer would be if there were a suffix to denote that a particular value should be regarded as a byte, but no such thing exists.
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peterchen wrote:
That seems awfully low
Not in the Java/C#/Linq world. For instance, in my code base of around 100,000 Lines, the maximum number of lines in a manually written method is 28. I think 25-30 is a reasonable maximum. Some Java frameworks have as much as 15 as the maximum.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I think 25-30 is a reasonable maximum.
I hate large methods as much as the next guy, but in several cases, I have methods running to almost 200 lines. On the code base I'm working on, it seems counter-intuitive to break it up to several methods.
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I have been asked to work on our Code Review Procedure. This sort of thing: Pascal casing used for type and method names Camel casing used for local variable names and method arguments ... A single file should only contribute types to a single namespace. Avoid having multiple namespaces in the same file. Avoid files with more than 500 lines (excluding machine-generated code). Avoid methods with more than 25 lines. ... Never hard-code a numeric value, always declare a constant instead. ... I have the feeling it is missing what really make maintenance go bad. Things like re use existing classes, don't duplicate code, separate logic, data access, and display. Can anyone point me to some documents with good recommendations of this type. The idea is to minimize defect and certainly not to alienate the programmers (including me).
Pascal Ganaye wrote:
Never hard-code a numeric value, always declare a constant instead.
Yikes! What about
if errors.Count() > 0? Surely I don't need a ZERO_ONLY_ZERO constant? :~ -
Look into tools like FxCop, StyleCop and ReSharper. These should take care of formatting and redundant code and things like that. Once you are done with doing all this look into the logic if it adheres to the requirement.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I think 25-30 is a reasonable maximum.
I hate large methods as much as the next guy, but in several cases, I have methods running to almost 200 lines. On the code base I'm working on, it seems counter-intuitive to break it up to several methods.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
counter-intuitive to break it up to several methods.
That is where I normally take opinion of someone else. Someone, figures out a clever way, usually. The best way to break a method is in chunks of logic. The bad way is to do the following:
void Method()
{
Portion1();
Portion2();
Portion3();
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:wtf: I agree with most of the MS one... how'd that happen? :confused:
I agree with most of them, but one that really bugs me is:
for (int i=0; i<100; i++) { DoSomething(i); }I prefer:for (int i=0; i<100; i++) DoSomething(i);or:for (int i=0; i<100; i++)
{
DoSomething(i);
}With the last one, who knows what future statements may need to be added... Another one that bugs me is stating that 4 spaces should be used instead of Tab, sorry, Tab tab tab ;P
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peterchen wrote:
That seems awfully low
Not in the Java/C#/Linq world. For instance, in my code base of around 100,000 Lines, the maximum number of lines in a manually written method is 28. I think 25-30 is a reasonable maximum. Some Java frameworks have as much as 15 as the maximum.
Hmm... I've checked a few of recent functions. Observations: It's C++, which has a notable overhead mostly for error handling. However, in most cases I don't see any benefit of breaking them up. One of them, quite simple by this project's standards, is 62 lines, there are 14 opening/closing braces, 6 full-line comments helping understand the code flow, and 11 empty lines to group "logic blocks" (each of the full-line comment is preceded by one). Breaking up the functionality (finding a best match) into three logical pieces was possible (Check A, Check B, Generate Diagnostics), but that would expose a lot of context. With the additional boilerplate, documentation and definition of the functions' contracts, I'd say I'd end up with worse code. Of course, being a C++ programmer, I could write that code in 25 lines, but you really don't want me to :rolleyes:
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
counter-intuitive to break it up to several methods.
That is where I normally take opinion of someone else. Someone, figures out a clever way, usually. The best way to break a method is in chunks of logic. The bad way is to do the following:
void Method()
{
Portion1();
Portion2();
Portion3();
}Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
That is where I normally take opinion of someone else. Someone, figures out a clever way, usually. The best way to break a method is in chunks of logic.
Well yeah, and normally that's the way I'd prefer it to go, but sometimes, you've got your back to the wall...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
void Method() { Portion1(); Portion2(); Portion3(); }
X| :thumbsdown: I'll admit in my younger days I did that a few times until a friendly senior explained to me some of the facts of programming life.
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I have been asked to work on our Code Review Procedure. This sort of thing: Pascal casing used for type and method names Camel casing used for local variable names and method arguments ... A single file should only contribute types to a single namespace. Avoid having multiple namespaces in the same file. Avoid files with more than 500 lines (excluding machine-generated code). Avoid methods with more than 25 lines. ... Never hard-code a numeric value, always declare a constant instead. ... I have the feeling it is missing what really make maintenance go bad. Things like re use existing classes, don't duplicate code, separate logic, data access, and display. Can anyone point me to some documents with good recommendations of this type. The idea is to minimize defect and certainly not to alienate the programmers (including me).
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Hmm... I've checked a few of recent functions. Observations: It's C++, which has a notable overhead mostly for error handling. However, in most cases I don't see any benefit of breaking them up. One of them, quite simple by this project's standards, is 62 lines, there are 14 opening/closing braces, 6 full-line comments helping understand the code flow, and 11 empty lines to group "logic blocks" (each of the full-line comment is preceded by one). Breaking up the functionality (finding a best match) into three logical pieces was possible (Check A, Check B, Generate Diagnostics), but that would expose a lot of context. With the additional boilerplate, documentation and definition of the functions' contracts, I'd say I'd end up with worse code. Of course, being a C++ programmer, I could write that code in 25 lines, but you really don't want me to :rolleyes:
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.When I maintain someone's code, I will prefer to see CheckA(); CheckB(); GeneralDiagniostics(); Seeing that I may get an idea of what the method is doing even though I may be new to the team. However, it may become worse if you are passing lot of parameters around. The thing I like about such rules of enforcing maximum lines is programmers are made to think and when they think good solutions may emerge. The eventual aim is to have fewer methods and fewer classes in other words "less code". Less code less bugs.
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Hmm... I've checked a few of recent functions. Observations: It's C++, which has a notable overhead mostly for error handling. However, in most cases I don't see any benefit of breaking them up. One of them, quite simple by this project's standards, is 62 lines, there are 14 opening/closing braces, 6 full-line comments helping understand the code flow, and 11 empty lines to group "logic blocks" (each of the full-line comment is preceded by one). Breaking up the functionality (finding a best match) into three logical pieces was possible (Check A, Check B, Generate Diagnostics), but that would expose a lot of context. With the additional boilerplate, documentation and definition of the functions' contracts, I'd say I'd end up with worse code. Of course, being a C++ programmer, I could write that code in 25 lines, but you really don't want me to :rolleyes:
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.peterchen wrote:
but you really don't want me to
May be if you apply factory pattern, your code may get simpler.:)
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I have been asked to work on our Code Review Procedure. This sort of thing: Pascal casing used for type and method names Camel casing used for local variable names and method arguments ... A single file should only contribute types to a single namespace. Avoid having multiple namespaces in the same file. Avoid files with more than 500 lines (excluding machine-generated code). Avoid methods with more than 25 lines. ... Never hard-code a numeric value, always declare a constant instead. ... I have the feeling it is missing what really make maintenance go bad. Things like re use existing classes, don't duplicate code, separate logic, data access, and display. Can anyone point me to some documents with good recommendations of this type. The idea is to minimize defect and certainly not to alienate the programmers (including me).
I would echo the posters who suggested that the enforcement of coding guidelines should be largely automated with FxCop and StyleCop. That said, you still need a reference for learning the guidelines, and Design guidelines for Class library Developers[^] on MSDN provides a complete set that is likely to be compatible with FxCop and StyleCop, and which is updated with each new release of Visual Studio.
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Tab characters (\0x09) should not be used in code. All indentation should be done with 4 space characters.
Why?
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
counter-intuitive to break it up to several methods.
That is where I normally take opinion of someone else. Someone, figures out a clever way, usually. The best way to break a method is in chunks of logic. The bad way is to do the following:
void Method()
{
Portion1();
Portion2();
Portion3();
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I agree with most of them, but one that really bugs me is:
for (int i=0; i<100; i++) { DoSomething(i); }I prefer:for (int i=0; i<100; i++) DoSomething(i);or:for (int i=0; i<100; i++)
{
DoSomething(i);
}With the last one, who knows what future statements may need to be added... Another one that bugs me is stating that 4 spaces should be used instead of Tab, sorry, Tab tab tab ;P
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Why even have a main body inside the for loop? Why not:
int i = 0; while (i < 100 && ReturnTrue(new MethodInvoker(delegate { DoSomething(i++); }))) ;
:rolleyes:
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Tab characters (\0x09) should not be used in code. All indentation should be done with 4 space characters.
Why?
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Because tabs are ambiguous. When viewed with tabs set to, say, 5 spaces, the comments might be misaligned. The IDE can handle spaces like tabs (more or less), so probably best to use those.