One-garian Notation
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Beware all those who read the following, they are the irreverent ramblings of a heretic ... Religious beliefs are so tricky. For the true believer no alternatives can be possible. Their minds are closed. I was once a devout believer of Hungarian notation. Charles Simonyi was my guiding light. My strings were all szDecorated, and I was at peace with the world. But, as with all religions, there were those who would not accept the one true way. Hedonistic forces held sway at Microsoft, and .Net naming conventions repudiated Hungarian notation! I was thrown into confusion, and my world disintegrated around me! Had I been led astray? Were my beliefs really so faulty? All those years, for nothing? And then I noticed something incredibly suspect about the preachings of the anti-Hungarian notationalists. Despite their adamant claim that Hungarian notation was evil, they in reality espoused a corrupted form of Hungarian notation themselves! Yes, it is true, the anti-Hungarian notationalists are inconsistent! They call for the abolition of Hungarian notation, while preaching the following doctrine: - The names of interfaces must start with the letter I. - The names of types must start with the letter T. Why was this? How could they ask me to give up one faith for a new one that contradicted itself? And then one day my turmoil was resolved! In a moment of revelation the great nerd in the sky spoke to me: "Do not follow the preaching of others! Create your own religion, be true to yourself, and say to hell with the forces of conformity. It will be a rocky road, and you will be held in contempt, but you will discover an inner peace that not even Hungarian notation gave you." I call my new religion "one-garian notation". It can be considered to be a further development (or corruption, if you will) of the .Net naming conventions, where not just the names of interfaces and types have specific one-character prefixes, but the following as well: - The names of constants must start with the letter C. - The names of delegates must start with the letter D. - The names of enumerators must start with the letter E. That's it. One-garian notation (named because it is based on one-character prefixes) is the same as .Net naming conventions, plus the use of three additional one-character rules, for a total of
I've always despised Hungarian notation, because it breaks a basic tenet of object-oriented programming: hide the implementation. Encoding the variable type in the name binds you to a specific implementation. I've never seen a Hungarian-ophile who was sufficiently rigorous about refactoring when they changed the type of a variable to always change the name at the same time. You end up with a variable named
iFixedSizeand anotherulFixedSize, they refer to the same thing, and are declared to beunsigned long's.Software Zen:
delete this;
Fold With Us![^]modified on Sunday, May 9, 2010 8:45 AM
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But, but, but .........
public enum EProcessStatus
{
ProcStopped,
ProcStarting, // Has been started, but has not reported "up and running"
ProcRunning,
ProcStopping // Has been signaled to stop, but not stopped yet
}public EProcessStatus ProcessStatus { get; set; }surely?
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OK, but my point is that you can't say this:
public enum ProcessStatus { ProcStopped, ProcStarting, // Has been started, but has not reported "up and running" ProcRunning, ProcStopping // Has been signaled to stop, but not stopped yet } public ProcessStatus ProcessStatus { get; set; }That gives a compiler error.
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Milk? Sugar?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
a drop of chateau moo (milk), pref low fat (ok, a purist would drink Earl Grey black I suspect) I never get the CC's , but made that connection [char -> Earl Grey] so quick I had to chuckle
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Beware all those who read the following, they are the irreverent ramblings of a heretic ... Religious beliefs are so tricky. For the true believer no alternatives can be possible. Their minds are closed. I was once a devout believer of Hungarian notation. Charles Simonyi was my guiding light. My strings were all szDecorated, and I was at peace with the world. But, as with all religions, there were those who would not accept the one true way. Hedonistic forces held sway at Microsoft, and .Net naming conventions repudiated Hungarian notation! I was thrown into confusion, and my world disintegrated around me! Had I been led astray? Were my beliefs really so faulty? All those years, for nothing? And then I noticed something incredibly suspect about the preachings of the anti-Hungarian notationalists. Despite their adamant claim that Hungarian notation was evil, they in reality espoused a corrupted form of Hungarian notation themselves! Yes, it is true, the anti-Hungarian notationalists are inconsistent! They call for the abolition of Hungarian notation, while preaching the following doctrine: - The names of interfaces must start with the letter I. - The names of types must start with the letter T. Why was this? How could they ask me to give up one faith for a new one that contradicted itself? And then one day my turmoil was resolved! In a moment of revelation the great nerd in the sky spoke to me: "Do not follow the preaching of others! Create your own religion, be true to yourself, and say to hell with the forces of conformity. It will be a rocky road, and you will be held in contempt, but you will discover an inner peace that not even Hungarian notation gave you." I call my new religion "one-garian notation". It can be considered to be a further development (or corruption, if you will) of the .Net naming conventions, where not just the names of interfaces and types have specific one-character prefixes, but the following as well: - The names of constants must start with the letter C. - The names of delegates must start with the letter D. - The names of enumerators must start with the letter E. That's it. One-garian notation (named because it is based on one-character prefixes) is the same as .Net naming conventions, plus the use of three additional one-character rules, for a total of
RenniePet wrote:
- The names of types must start with the letter T.
WTF do you find that in .NET naming conventions?
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RenniePet wrote:
But, as with all religions, there were those who would not accept the one true way.
All religions claim the same; that you must seeketh the truth before you can find "the one true way". SysHungarion was a way of encoding additional type-related information into the variable-name. That way you could see that you was talking about a string, just by looking at the name of the variable. Then came along the people who create rules-of-thumbs, and every bloody component needed to have a prefix. Imagine discussions on whether the developmentgroup should adhere to "mnuExitMenu", "pmuExitMenu" and "cxmExitMenu". In all three cases, it doesn't add much besides costs. AppsHung was a blunt mistake. Still, it is recommended to add pre- and suffixes that give hints to the variables purpose, like Idx for an index, "cur" for the current item and so on. Stop being religious, and ask yourself what a good variable-name is. And yes, that idea will vary over time.
I are Troll :suss:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Still, it is recommended to add pre- and suffixes that give hints to the variables purpose
Suffixes FTW!
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RenniePet wrote:
- The names of types must start with the letter T.
WTF do you find that in .NET naming conventions?
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OK, but my point is that you can't say this:
public enum ProcessStatus { ProcStopped, ProcStarting, // Has been started, but has not reported "up and running" ProcRunning, ProcStopping // Has been signaled to stop, but not stopped yet } public ProcessStatus ProcessStatus { get; set; }That gives a compiler error.
did you try a C# compiler? :confused:
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I too was a Hungarian convert. I too saw .NET and thought - is this not a step backwards? But then I relaxed a bit, and realized I do not look at listings much anymore - I use class diagrams; I use the IDE. I do not use paper. Both the class diagram and the IDE give you information on types, when you need them. I think the Hungarian has gone the way of the Arianism Apostasy, and am actually quite glad to see it go. At least you can read code now, without your eyes getting caught on a list of random seeming characters: "lpcivst" or similar in front of the words "UserNames". Mind you, I still use "tb" in front of text boxes, and "but" for buttons - but I never said I was consistent!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Mind you, I still use "tb" in front of text boxes, and "but" for buttons
I use the 'Text' and 'Button' suffixes for those two, other suffixes are similar, but all whole words.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So in Gealic: Pogue mahone!
Not even close. It's an inoquous phrase - literaly 'your mother' - but causes DEFCON2 offence. A bit like saying to a Cpian that they sound like CSS.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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did you try a C# compiler? :confused:
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
It's an inoquous phrase - literaly 'your mother'
You should see what that same inoquous phrase will win you in SA as well, especially Cape Town.
Ventilation holes? About 9mm diameter? :laugh:
I have learnt that you can not make someone love you, all you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key.
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Uh, yeah. Visual Studio 2010. It says:
Error 1 The type 'ConsoleApplication1.Program' already contains a definition for 'ProcessStatus'
on the line that attempts to define a property with the same name as the enumerator.
Probably only if your enum is defined as part of your class (MyNamespace.MyClass.MyEnum) If it is defined as outside your class (MyNamespace.MyClass and MyNamespace.MyEnum) then it probably won't - certainly VS2008 doesn't. Which makes sense, because in the first case you are indeed trying to define two things (the enum and the instance) with identical fully qualified names, and the compiler cannot resolve the reference.
I have learnt that you can not make someone love you, all you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key.
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Probably only if your enum is defined as part of your class (MyNamespace.MyClass.MyEnum) If it is defined as outside your class (MyNamespace.MyClass and MyNamespace.MyEnum) then it probably won't - certainly VS2008 doesn't. Which makes sense, because in the first case you are indeed trying to define two things (the enum and the instance) with identical fully qualified names, and the compiler cannot resolve the reference.
I have learnt that you can not make someone love you, all you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key.
yep. you're right. :)
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Probably only if your enum is defined as part of your class (MyNamespace.MyClass.MyEnum) If it is defined as outside your class (MyNamespace.MyClass and MyNamespace.MyEnum) then it probably won't - certainly VS2008 doesn't. Which makes sense, because in the first case you are indeed trying to define two things (the enum and the instance) with identical fully qualified names, and the compiler cannot resolve the reference.
I have learnt that you can not make someone love you, all you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key.
That's true, but in many situations I prefer to define the enum in the class where it is to be used and made public. There is a longer discussion about this here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/495051/c-naming-convention-for-enum-and-matching-property[^] If you look at that thread, the third-last post by someone named Hermann was the inspiration to my beginning heresy. :) C for constants and D for delegates came next, and my chances of redemption were gone. But I've resisted F for flag-style enumerators so far, although I'm not sure how much longer I can fight off the temptation. :(
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That's true, but in many situations I prefer to define the enum in the class where it is to be used and made public. There is a longer discussion about this here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/495051/c-naming-convention-for-enum-and-matching-property[^] If you look at that thread, the third-last post by someone named Hermann was the inspiration to my beginning heresy. :) C for constants and D for delegates came next, and my chances of redemption were gone. But I've resisted F for flag-style enumerators so far, although I'm not sure how much longer I can fight off the temptation. :(
That goes about against every .NET guideline there is. Nested classes/enums should NOT be public. They're hard to discover and annoying to use. Move the enum out of the class if it needs to be public. Flag-style enums use plural names while normal enums use singular names. There's no need for any prefix.
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Here: http://blogs.msdn.com/kcwalina/archive/2004/11/03/251722.aspx[^] But I should have said "generic types", not just types.
I should have recognised the T type as such anyway, hehe. It's Sunday, what can I say - beer is calling.
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Beware all those who read the following, they are the irreverent ramblings of a heretic ... Religious beliefs are so tricky. For the true believer no alternatives can be possible. Their minds are closed. I was once a devout believer of Hungarian notation. Charles Simonyi was my guiding light. My strings were all szDecorated, and I was at peace with the world. But, as with all religions, there were those who would not accept the one true way. Hedonistic forces held sway at Microsoft, and .Net naming conventions repudiated Hungarian notation! I was thrown into confusion, and my world disintegrated around me! Had I been led astray? Were my beliefs really so faulty? All those years, for nothing? And then I noticed something incredibly suspect about the preachings of the anti-Hungarian notationalists. Despite their adamant claim that Hungarian notation was evil, they in reality espoused a corrupted form of Hungarian notation themselves! Yes, it is true, the anti-Hungarian notationalists are inconsistent! They call for the abolition of Hungarian notation, while preaching the following doctrine: - The names of interfaces must start with the letter I. - The names of types must start with the letter T. Why was this? How could they ask me to give up one faith for a new one that contradicted itself? And then one day my turmoil was resolved! In a moment of revelation the great nerd in the sky spoke to me: "Do not follow the preaching of others! Create your own religion, be true to yourself, and say to hell with the forces of conformity. It will be a rocky road, and you will be held in contempt, but you will discover an inner peace that not even Hungarian notation gave you." I call my new religion "one-garian notation". It can be considered to be a further development (or corruption, if you will) of the .Net naming conventions, where not just the names of interfaces and types have specific one-character prefixes, but the following as well: - The names of constants must start with the letter C. - The names of delegates must start with the letter D. - The names of enumerators must start with the letter E. That's it. One-garian notation (named because it is based on one-character prefixes) is the same as .Net naming conventions, plus the use of three additional one-character rules, for a total of
No no no. Defines and enums in UPPERCASE. Consts and vaars just named properly. 'Name' is obviously a string, 'Count' is a number. and are nouns. And funcitons/methods are verbs. Easy. The code reads like english.
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Ventilation holes? About 9mm diameter? :laugh:
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That's what it would do in Jordan...
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That goes about against every .NET guideline there is. Nested classes/enums should NOT be public. They're hard to discover and annoying to use. Move the enum out of the class if it needs to be public. Flag-style enums use plural names while normal enums use singular names. There's no need for any prefix.
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No no no. Defines and enums in UPPERCASE. Consts and vaars just named properly. 'Name' is obviously a string, 'Count' is a number. and are nouns. And funcitons/methods are verbs. Easy. The code reads like english.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Seconded.
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