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Is the upgrade to VS2010 worth the cost?

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  • H Henry Minute

    I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

    Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

    There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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    emiaj
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    Only if you've planned to target .Net 4 (as my team do), otherwise, I don't think so.

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    • H Henry Minute

      I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

      Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

      There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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      Ed Poore
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      Best improvement for me has been the ability that you can now zoom in on the editor :rolleyes:


      I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder

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        Best improvement for me has been the ability that you can now zoom in on the editor :rolleyes:


        I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder

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        AspDotNetDev
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        Ed.Poore wrote:

        you can now zoom in on the editor

        A much cheaper alternative is to lean forward.

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          Ed.Poore wrote:

          you can now zoom in on the editor

          A much cheaper alternative is to lean forward.

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          Not if you consider the cost of paying the ophthalmologist.

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            Not if you consider the cost of paying the ophthalmologist.

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            AspDotNetDev
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            I don't think you can afford NOT to see the ophthalmologist!

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              Ed.Poore wrote:

              you can now zoom in on the editor

              A much cheaper alternative is to lean forward.

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              Ed Poore
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              Not really[^] ;P


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              • H Henry Minute

                I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

                Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

                There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                CaptainSeeSharp
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                Yes it is, the robust and comprehensive toolset will increase dynamic productivity. The n-tire functionality boosts enterprise development.

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                  Yes it is, the robust and comprehensive toolset will increase dynamic productivity. The n-tire functionality boosts enterprise development.

                  Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  dynamic productivity

                  Lol. Is there something called static productivity? :laugh:

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                  • C CaptainSeeSharp

                    Yes it is, the robust and comprehensive toolset will increase dynamic productivity. The n-tire functionality boosts enterprise development.

                    Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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                    Dr Walt Fair PE
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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    The n-tire functionality boosts enterprise development.

                    I always like kicking tires. I'll bet n-tire kicking is especially satisfying, but is it worth the price? So what is the advantage to enterprise development for n-tire functionality as compared to say, 4-tire functionality? Or tricycle or bicycle or unicycle functionality for that matter?

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                    • H Henry Minute

                      I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

                      Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

                      There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      Henry Minute wrote:

                      worth the cost?

                      Maybe not, but it is likely worth the price.

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                      • E Ed Poore

                        Not really[^] ;P


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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Ed.Poore wrote:

                        Not really[^]

                        *gack!* I'm pretty sure my niece designed that page. It uses her colour scheme.

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                          I don't think you can afford NOT to see the ophthalmologist!

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                          peterchen
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                          If you don't see your ophthalmologist, you should see your ophthalmologist?

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            Ed.Poore wrote:

                            Not really[^]

                            *gack!* I'm pretty sure my niece designed that page. It uses her colour scheme.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            Ed Poore
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                            Hey to be honest I don't care what the page looks like if they provide me with free copies of stuff.


                            I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder

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                            • H Henry Minute

                              I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

                              Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

                              There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

                              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                              Dave Parker
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                              The guy sat opposite me has been looking at it for a few weeks. He's saying none of our projects work properly with it apparently - some issue to do with the designer not supporting (or choking on in certain situations) form inheritance.

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                              • H Henry Minute

                                I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

                                Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

                                There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

                                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                Hans Dietrich
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                                Did the magazine article mention the wonderful help system?

                                Best wishes, Hans


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                                • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                  The n-tire functionality boosts enterprise development.

                                  I always like kicking tires. I'll bet n-tire kicking is especially satisfying, but is it worth the price? So what is the advantage to enterprise development for n-tire functionality as compared to say, 4-tire functionality? Or tricycle or bicycle or unicycle functionality for that matter?

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                                  Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                  Hans Dietrich
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                                  The n-tire functionality comes in handy on embedded 18-wheeler applications. :laugh:

                                  Best wishes, Hans


                                  [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                                  • H Hans Dietrich

                                    Did the magazine article mention the wonderful help system?

                                    Best wishes, Hans


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                                    Henry Minute
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                                    Hans Dietrich wrote:

                                    Did the magazine article mention the wonderful help system?

                                    It didn't have to. I have experienced its delights, via the express versions. Although H3Viewer[^] helps a little in offline mode.

                                    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                    • H Henry Minute

                                      I have just read a review of VS2010 Professional in a Magazine (PCPRO) their conclusion is:

                                      Overall, this is a good update to an already excellent IDE. The addition of F# is interesting even though, in its current form, its development tools are basic. The long-overdue Silverlight designer and the improved editing and code navigation features are well worth the price of an upgrade.

                                      There have been several discussions in The Lounge about VS2010 and I don't remember anyone mentioning the 'Silverlight designer'. In any event I am not currently doing very much WPF, just playing, and no Silverlight at all. It therefore seems to me that the editor improvements would need to be fairly enormous to warrant my upgrading at the moment. Are the improvements that good?

                                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                      eslsys
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                                      It was for me but only because I could not get the VS2008 SP1 installed without dedicating a life to the task. So endured without the SP for as long as possible and when Azure became an imperative and VS2010 went RTM, jumped to installing it. No hassle so far but I cant see using the Silverlight/WPF designer in preference to Expression Blend

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