Why I resigned from my job
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Assembler? Pah! Keyboards are for wusses. I remember keying in bootstrappers on an octal switch bank. That was in the days when the in-joke about why computers came in big 19" racks was so that we could fit a bean counter inside each one. What? It's 4pm? Time for dinner and off to bed! Creak.... E:^)
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Are you the boss that is being talked about in the thread below? :-D
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Not really, he is just being funny. :)
My .NET Business Application Framework My Younger Son & His "PET"
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
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This sounds like a good decision and probably a relieve for both you and your subordinates. The "drag and drop" technologies which exists from some 20 years and are intended to simplify the development of the UI and help programmers to focus on the business logic, have nothing to do with your rant...and vi and emacs?!? Are you serious? The dispute which one is more crappy died a decade ago with the conclusion that they are both a pile of crap. There are more humble and far more superior text editors around for both Windows and Linux.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
There are more humble and far more superior text editors around for both Windows and Linux.
Please name them, and tell me how YOU use them. I spend far more time waiting for the cursor to catch up to me in Visual Studio than I ever do in vi. VS also has me moving my hands off the main keyboard to either the mouse or the cursor keys, which again slows me down. It's as if I've poured tar all over my hands. Why would anybody want do that? - Owen -
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
All these sissy windows and icons, I once had to write an entire database using nothing but ones and zeros --Dilbert
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Nonsense! IDE's are too fancy as it is. Let's all program in assembly language and pass it off to a compiler using the command line! Productivity is WAY overrated.
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Not really, he is just being funny. :)
My .NET Business Application Framework My Younger Son & His "PET"
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
I so long the days of vi, emacs ... EMACS! I heard that that was a great OS, but that the editor sucked ;-) Seriously, sounds like you are seriously burnt out. Take a break, kick back, coach some basketball. If you still miss all those vi, emacs, printf days, grab a copy of Linux (or BSD) and contribute to open source where many of those tools are still favored.
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Nonsense! IDE's are too fancy as it is. Let's all program in assembly language and pass it off to a compiler using the command line! Productivity is WAY overrated.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
with the conclusion that they are both a pile of crap.
:laugh: :laugh: To be fair, after I learned Vi I like it. But the way you phrased it was funny.
modified on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:53 PM
Ditto. Emacs I somehow never ended up liking or using. The philosophy of vi is the idea of doing as much as one can with the least amount of stress on your fingers. Now if only getting out from edit mode didn't require you having to reach all the way up to the escape key it'd have been more or less perfect!
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
There are more humble and far more superior text editors around for both Windows and Linux.
Please name them, and tell me how YOU use them. I spend far more time waiting for the cursor to catch up to me in Visual Studio than I ever do in vi. VS also has me moving my hands off the main keyboard to either the mouse or the cursor keys, which again slows me down. It's as if I've poured tar all over my hands. Why would anybody want do that? - Owen -
Owen Lawrence wrote:
Please name them,
Pico and nano :)
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
I'm glad to hear you've found something else to do that you enjoy. Good luck and enjoy your escape of the comptuer technology treadmill :) I understand your sentiment though, having been around comptuers long enough myself to have known at one time which instructions had their roots in the 8008. However, I think you have it wrong -- the drag and drop programming you refer to is merely an elimination of the druggery of programming, much the same way as a compiler eliminates the druggery of translating a program to executable machine code. Just like using vi or emacs makes it easier to produce code than using ed or [shudder] cat. The interesting part of making the computer do what you want it to do was there back then and is still there today. When you loose sight of that, then it probably is time to get out and go find something more enjoyable to do.
patbob
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
Judging by your comments, this is probably a good career move. As for your new endeavor, please remember they don't use peach baskets anymore either.
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
Enjoy your retirement! I instead have been learning the new stuff to stay employable and keep up with the kids. Its actually fun (most of the time). Can't stay in programming if you don't want to learn new things. (Although a few isles over there are some happy mainframe programmers...)
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Owen Lawrence wrote:
Please name them,
Pico and nano :)
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Pico and nano
Hey, come to think of it, I used pico for something on a Unix machine quite a long time ago. I can't remember why it didn't catch on, though. vi definitely ruled at that point. Maybe I'll have to give it another look. - Owen -
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
You describe, accurately, what has happened to some developers - however if you think that programming today is all drag-and-drop then you are a bit out-of-touch. I've been at this for nearly 35 years myself and still enjoy it. I "drag and drop" only to the extent that I'm dealing with a GUI layout but I can assure you that I write a lot of code. Business intelligence coding is not automatic any more now than it was 35 years ago. Sure, I have a much more rich library of functions with which I can manipulate data than we used to have, but I still find I have to write a lot of code to make it work. Enjoy your game. You really are ready for something else! -Max :-)
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If you think VS is simply drag and drop then frankly you should leave since you do not have the faintest undestanding of the technology. I do a little VS work and even understanding the proper use of collections takes a certain amount of work.
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I enjoyed programming on DOS so much... That little cursor blinking on a black background was so sci-fi that I really miss it. Then these guys come with Windows and all this crappy stuff. Now I'm forced to code on Visual Studio and it's so lame because there is only drag and drop. I drag and drop asynch operations, I drag and drop Windows APIs, I drag and drop hardware automation. It's so not fun anymore :doh:
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I have been with my current company for 35 years. For 35 years I have encouraged use of open technologies at my company. Unfortunately, the programmers these days do not enjoy to work in open technologies. They rather prefer drag and drop programming offered by tools such as Visual Studio 2010. Programmers are reduced to drag and drop, and cut and paste machines. I can't bear this any more. I so long the days of vi, emacs, debugging by sprinkling code with printfs. We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
ProgrammerToVP wrote:
We have moved so far from those days that I have to give up now. It is sad! I am now moving to full time job of being a basketball coach of my kids basketball team.
I'm sure people before basketball era said the same thing about basketball when it first arrived. "I miss playing on dirt. I miss those scratches and brusies. Now-a-days people love to play on shiny floors and soft rubber balls. I quit being a basketball player and take the the full time job of a stone-ball coach" :)
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I enjoyed programming on DOS so much... That little cursor blinking on a black background was so sci-fi that I really miss it. Then these guys come with Windows and all this crappy stuff. Now I'm forced to code on Visual Studio and it's so lame because there is only drag and drop. I drag and drop asynch operations, I drag and drop Windows APIs, I drag and drop hardware automation. It's so not fun anymore :doh:
