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    Dalek Dave
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    During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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      During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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      hairy_hats
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      Dalek Dave wrote:

      the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.

      Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.

      Dalek Dave wrote:

      Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

      I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.

      Dalek Dave wrote:

      do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

      Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.

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        During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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        Amar Chaudhary
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        there are chances we may find some living bacteria or something simple - this discovery may lead to a Nobel or something but I don't think it would be The Greatest Discovery Ever. Yes it will help to get more funds for the related projects ;P

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          During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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          soap brain
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          Dalek Dave wrote:

          Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

          Not really.

          Dalek Dave wrote:

          and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

          Nah, The Greatest Discovery Ever is that if you wiggle a pencil it turns into rubber.

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          • D Dalek Dave

            During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

            ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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            Pete OHanlon
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            Dalek Dave wrote:

            Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

            Probably - but at microbial level.

            Dalek Dave wrote:

            The Greatest Discovery Ever?

            No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.

            "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

            As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

              Probably - but at microbial level.

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              The Greatest Discovery Ever?

              No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.

              "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

              As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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              Lost User
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              "And there we were drunk" - isn't that how your stories started?

              Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                "And there we were drunk" - isn't that how your stories started?

                Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                Dalek Dave
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                It's how a lot of mine do!

                ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.

                  Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.

                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

                  I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.

                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

                  Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  viaducting wrote:

                  I want to see how the world's religions handle it.

                  Same as always, denial and insurrection.

                  ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                    "And there we were drunk" - isn't that how your stories started?

                    Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                    I believe he used the term 'pissed', which is used here to mean :mad:, which is what you'd be if somebody pissed on you.

                    Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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                    • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                      I believe he used the term 'pissed', which is used here to mean :mad:, which is what you'd be if somebody pissed on you.

                      Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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                      Lost User
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                      In Pete's context it means drunk.

                      Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

                        Probably - but at microbial level.

                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        The Greatest Discovery Ever?

                        No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.

                        "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                        As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                        Dalek Dave wrote: The Greatest Discovery Ever? No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.

                        Nail. Head. Hit.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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                        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                          I believe he used the term 'pissed', which is used here to mean :mad:, which is what you'd be if somebody pissed on you.

                          Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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                          Dalek Dave
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                          Pissed has many uses... Pissed off means annoyed (Dave was really pissed off about not winning the golf) Pissed means drunk (Pete O'Hanlon was pissed as a fart last night) Pissed away means wasted (Elaine pissed away £300 on that old car?) Piss up is a night on the beer (John went on a piss up last night) Piss and wind is a straw man (Oh never mind about Henry, he's just full of piss and wind)

                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                            During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

                            ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                            Christian Graus
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                            I don't expect it will be found, simply because I believe God created life. I don't care about the mechanism He used ( that is to say, I'm not claiming anything on that front especially ), I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            • H hairy_hats

                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.

                              Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.

                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

                              I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.

                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

                              Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.

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                              Christian Graus
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                              viaducting wrote:

                              I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.

                              If fully formed life is found, and that life has completely different religion, or no religion, I'd accept that would challenge my views. But microbial life, while I still doubt it, would prove nothing bad for my religious views, if it was found.

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                I don't expect it will be found, simply because I believe God created life. I don't care about the mechanism He used ( that is to say, I'm not claiming anything on that front especially ), I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                Christian Graus
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                                I am both not hurt, and rather am moved with pity for the patheticness of the life of someone who would one vote me for having a view and being willing to share it.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

                                  ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                  Abhinav S
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                                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                                  if there is liquid water, there is life.

                                  if there is liquid water beer, there is life FTFY. :)

                                  My signature "sucks" today

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                                    Pissed has many uses... Pissed off means annoyed (Dave was really pissed off about not winning the golf) Pissed means drunk (Pete O'Hanlon was pissed as a fart last night) Pissed away means wasted (Elaine pissed away £300 on that old car?) Piss up is a night on the beer (John went on a piss up last night) Piss and wind is a straw man (Oh never mind about Henry, he's just full of piss and wind)

                                    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                    DaveAuld
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                                    taking the piss..........The team took the piss out of Billy because of his pointy ears.

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                                      I am both not hurt, and rather am moved with pity for the patheticness of the life of someone who would one vote me for having a view and being willing to share it.

                                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                      soap brain
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                                      I up-voted it - apparently I don't possess much clout though. ;P

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                                      • H hairy_hats

                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.

                                        Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.

                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives

                                        I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.

                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?

                                        Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.

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                                        Kevin McFarlane
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                                        viaducting wrote:

                                        Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water

                                        That's what I thought.

                                        Kevin

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                                          I up-voted it - apparently I don't possess much clout though. ;P

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                                          Christian Graus
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                                          Only slightly less than the down voter. Which proves it was not a univoter. Thanks - I didn't expect people to cheer my POV, but I wish if people disagree, they could discuss instead of just voting.

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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