A discussion on life (Scientific, not philosophical)
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During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
Not really.
Dalek Dave wrote:
and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
Nah, The Greatest Discovery Ever is that if you wiggle a pencil it turns into rubber.
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During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
Probably - but at microbial level.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The Greatest Discovery Ever?
No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
Probably - but at microbial level.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The Greatest Discovery Ever?
No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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"And there we were drunk" - isn't that how your stories started?
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
It's how a lot of mine do!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.
Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.
Dalek Dave wrote:
do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.
viaducting wrote:
I want to see how the world's religions handle it.
Same as always, denial and insurrection.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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"And there we were drunk" - isn't that how your stories started?
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
I believe he used the term 'pissed', which is used here to mean :mad:, which is what you'd be if somebody pissed on you.
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
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I believe he used the term 'pissed', which is used here to mean :mad:, which is what you'd be if somebody pissed on you.
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
Probably - but at microbial level.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The Greatest Discovery Ever?
No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Dalek Dave wrote: The Greatest Discovery Ever? No. The discovery of alcohol - that's my vote for it.
Nail. Head. Hit.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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I believe he used the term 'pissed', which is used here to mean :mad:, which is what you'd be if somebody pissed on you.
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
Pissed has many uses... Pissed off means annoyed (Dave was really pissed off about not winning the golf) Pissed means drunk (Pete O'Hanlon was pissed as a fart last night) Pissed away means wasted (Elaine pissed away £300 on that old car?) Piss up is a night on the beer (John went on a piss up last night) Piss and wind is a straw man (Oh never mind about Henry, he's just full of piss and wind)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I don't expect it will be found, simply because I believe God created life. I don't care about the mechanism He used ( that is to say, I'm not claiming anything on that front especially ), I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.
Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.
Dalek Dave wrote:
do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.
viaducting wrote:
I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.
If fully formed life is found, and that life has completely different religion, or no religion, I'd accept that would challenge my views. But microbial life, while I still doubt it, would prove nothing bad for my religious views, if it was found.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I don't expect it will be found, simply because I believe God created life. I don't care about the mechanism He used ( that is to say, I'm not claiming anything on that front especially ), I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I am both not hurt, and rather am moved with pity for the patheticness of the life of someone who would one vote me for having a view and being willing to share it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Pissed has many uses... Pissed off means annoyed (Dave was really pissed off about not winning the golf) Pissed means drunk (Pete O'Hanlon was pissed as a fart last night) Pissed away means wasted (Elaine pissed away £300 on that old car?) Piss up is a night on the beer (John went on a piss up last night) Piss and wind is a straw man (Oh never mind about Henry, he's just full of piss and wind)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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I am both not hurt, and rather am moved with pity for the patheticness of the life of someone who would one vote me for having a view and being willing to share it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I up-voted it - apparently I don't possess much clout though. ;P
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life.
Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
I really don't know. The problem is that we have a sample size of one in a mind-bogglingly large universe, so extrapolation is risky.
Dalek Dave wrote:
do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
Yes. It'll be even greater if it can be shown to have started independently from life on Earth. I hope life is discovered on another world within my lifetime, especially one outside the Solar System, because I want to see how the world's religions handle it.
viaducting wrote:
Rather, if there is life, there is liquid water
That's what I thought.
Kevin
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I up-voted it - apparently I don't possess much clout though. ;P
Only slightly less than the down voter. Which proves it was not a univoter. Thanks - I didn't expect people to cheer my POV, but I wish if people disagree, they could discuss instead of just voting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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During my current module (I am doing an Open University course on life sciences) I am learning about the beginnings of life. It is a contentious issue. Some think it was foam, others mud, some think it was an iron first development and so on... However, given all research and evidence, it becomes apparent that the golden rule is if there is liquid water, there is life. Posit. If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal. Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
If life, or evidence of past life, is found on one other body in the solar system, be it Mars, Europa or wherever, it is a sign that life is universal.
Yes. Either life only exists on Earth or it exists everywhere (by "everywhere" I mean it is widespread in the universe).
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives
I have a reasonable expectation. This is more so given my viewing of programmes such as BBC's Wonders of the Solar System that emphasise how life flourishes in such extreme environments on Earth while nothing that similar environments seem to exist on other planets/moons.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Do you expect that life will be found elsewhere within our lives, and do you agree that it will be The Greatest Discovery Ever?
Undoubtedly.
Kevin
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I don't expect it will be found, simply because I believe God created life. I don't care about the mechanism He used ( that is to say, I'm not claiming anything on that front especially ), I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It all becomes much simpler if we just ditch the idea of a god and just look at the chemical ways in which life could be formed. Such as the Miller-Urey experiment[^]. God was not needed for that experiment. Verifying theories by experiments is the basis of science, believing what some old and poorly translated book is saying is not. Also, if we accept the claim that god must exist because there is life, then why isn't there life elsewhere? Accepting the idea of a god is problematic - where did he come from? How did he leave no direct evidence of his existence? So Occam's Razor cuts god out of the universe until we find something that can truly only be explained by accepting the existence of god. But beware, humans have thought that before, and they were always wrong (lightning does not come from god, nor do the seasons).
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I don't expect it will be found, simply because I believe God created life. I don't care about the mechanism He used ( that is to say, I'm not claiming anything on that front especially ), I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I just think that God is needed for life to exist, therefore an infinite number of planets does not prove it is likely that there's life on any of them
If He did create it why would He have created it on only a single planet in the universe?
Kevin