Why do some people call themselves programmers?
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Honestly, this is just because I've hit more than a few threads in the last couple of days where very very simple concepts such as gridviews and their datasources or their output format is not understood by the OP who then asks for "codezzplz". If you've been given a description of what the approach you could take but fail to implement it yourself, either through laziness or just purely not getting he basic concept then what the hell are you doing programming? As an aside, it reminds me of something my friend talked about when describing Apple's technology model: "They want the bare minimum definition of computer so that they can "Send e-mails and do computer things". They don't know what "computer things" are, but they want to do them. They want to listen to music, but they don't want to spend more than two seconds to do it and "the production of sound by the vibration of air" is considered "ideal" rather than the "Bare minimum definition of music". The lack of bass or the ability to not sound like a tiny band playing in a tin can, so echo-y that you can't understand anything, never enters their heads (I did not use the word "mind" for a reason there). There is moving air, that must be good enough. If it's not loud enough, I'll turn it up until it's just shrill noise."
Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers.
The wonderful thing about the Darwin Awards is that everyone wins, especially the members of the audience.
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Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers.
The wonderful thing about the Darwin Awards is that everyone wins, especially the members of the audience.
I have no idea, but having a degree in software engineering I really wish someone knew what the phrase software engineering actually meant. I always figured it was engineering software, but what I've seen so far was mostly glorified and frequently flogged code monkey.
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Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers.
The wonderful thing about the Darwin Awards is that everyone wins, especially the members of the audience.
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Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers.
The wonderful thing about the Darwin Awards is that everyone wins, especially the members of the audience.
Tim Craig wrote:
Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers DRIVEN A TRAIN!!!
FTFY
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Honestly, this is just because I've hit more than a few threads in the last couple of days where very very simple concepts such as gridviews and their datasources or their output format is not understood by the OP who then asks for "codezzplz". If you've been given a description of what the approach you could take but fail to implement it yourself, either through laziness or just purely not getting he basic concept then what the hell are you doing programming? As an aside, it reminds me of something my friend talked about when describing Apple's technology model: "They want the bare minimum definition of computer so that they can "Send e-mails and do computer things". They don't know what "computer things" are, but they want to do them. They want to listen to music, but they don't want to spend more than two seconds to do it and "the production of sound by the vibration of air" is considered "ideal" rather than the "Bare minimum definition of music". The lack of bass or the ability to not sound like a tiny band playing in a tin can, so echo-y that you can't understand anything, never enters their heads (I did not use the word "mind" for a reason there). There is moving air, that must be good enough. If it's not loud enough, I'll turn it up until it's just shrill noise."
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Where I work the bosses have convinced themselves we need to be Software Developers. To them any idiot can be a programmer but to be taken seriously they need us to be Software Developers. Calling them programmers is an insult.
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I have no idea, but having a degree in software engineering I really wish someone knew what the phrase software engineering actually meant. I always figured it was engineering software, but what I've seen so far was mostly glorified and frequently flogged code monkey.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers DRIVEN A TRAIN!!!
FTFY
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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I have no idea, but having a degree in software engineering I really wish someone knew what the phrase software engineering actually meant. I always figured it was engineering software, but what I've seen so far was mostly glorified and frequently flogged code monkey.
Distind wrote:
glorified and frequently flogged code monkey
When you're the monkey, the key is to learn to love the whip.
Software Zen:
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Why do so many people call themselves "Engineers" when they've clearly never had an engineering class much less a degree in it? This includes programmers.
The wonderful thing about the Darwin Awards is that everyone wins, especially the members of the audience.
I have a bachelor's degree in computer engineering. Roughly one fourth of my university classes were engineering courses. I also have 30 years of experience in developing software in both the government and commercial arenas. I do believe it is reasonable for me to call myself a 'computer engineer'.
Software Zen:
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I have no idea, but having a degree in software engineering I really wish someone knew what the phrase software engineering actually meant. I always figured it was engineering software, but what I've seen so far was mostly glorified and frequently flogged code monkey.
Don't insult the monkey. At least he wouldn't ask for codez.