Gun crime even in Britain [modified]
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He would not have got as far with a knife.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Funny, some guys got quite far with box cutters... It isn't about the weapon, it is about the circumstances allowing the weapon to be used for greatest effect.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Funny, some guys got quite far with box cutters... It isn't about the weapon, it is about the circumstances allowing the weapon to be used for greatest effect.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Funny, some guys got quite far with box cutters...
People were stupid. That won't happen again. But, if those people had started to actually hurt folks with box cutters, they would not have lasted long.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I have no doubt that in Britain, a LOT of people are saying to each other, 'we are turning in to America'
I had a roommate back when I was in college that was from England. She was a hottie but that is besides the point. :-D She was amazed at the fact that the coppers over here in America all carried guns. She said that there were no guns in the UK (this was back in the early 90's). I am older now and I have quite a few friends in the UK and from what I understand guns are more prevalent than they were 15 or 20 years ago. So yes the UK is turning into America. Blair = Bush and all that! But it is always the bad stuff that gets noticed. No one wants Levi's anymore! :(
Australia is also turning into the US, to my disgust. Not because it's always a BAD thing, but because I wish we could just be Australian and not try to be the same as people elsewhere. The US is doing fine without our blind hero worship.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100603/tuk-police-may-never-know-motive-for-mas-dba1618.html[^] I can't believe this can happen in Britain. I have heard of mentally retarted twits like this in USA killing people at random for fun, but i cannot believe this can happen in Britain. There have never been random shooting rampage like this in the UK for a long time. Its a shame that this b*****d goes aroun dkilling people at random who are not connected to him in any way, just because he has had a family fued. I wonder if innocent people can even dare to walk in the streets in day light anymore. Such a non-sensical barbaric act.
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I was talking to somebody tonight who was friends with the solicitor that was murdered. He's, understandably, devastated about it.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Funny, some guys got quite far with box cutters...
People were stupid. That won't happen again. But, if those people had started to actually hurt folks with box cutters, they would not have lasted long.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Supposedly the world trade center was destroyed by a few terrorist with box cutters.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100603/tuk-police-may-never-know-motive-for-mas-dba1618.html[^] I can't believe this can happen in Britain. I have heard of mentally retarted twits like this in USA killing people at random for fun, but i cannot believe this can happen in Britain. There have never been random shooting rampage like this in the UK for a long time. Its a shame that this b*****d goes aroun dkilling people at random who are not connected to him in any way, just because he has had a family fued. I wonder if innocent people can even dare to walk in the streets in day light anymore. Such a non-sensical barbaric act.
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Why don't you petition the government to ban guns?
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100603/tuk-police-may-never-know-motive-for-mas-dba1618.html[^] I can't believe this can happen in Britain. I have heard of mentally retarted twits like this in USA killing people at random for fun, but i cannot believe this can happen in Britain. There have never been random shooting rampage like this in the UK for a long time. Its a shame that this b*****d goes aroun dkilling people at random who are not connected to him in any way, just because he has had a family fued. I wonder if innocent people can even dare to walk in the streets in day light anymore. Such a non-sensical barbaric act.
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(The following is only partially tongue in cheek...) Hey, look at it this way - at least people in the US would be able to give accurate testimony regarding the weapon(s) used. Can't find the BBC story at the moment, but... one witness, widely quoted, described how the perp stalked his first victims around a taxi stand. The witness repeatedly described the weapon, which he saw up close, as a 'shotgun with a scope'. First, come on - a shotgun and a scope are kind of mutually exclusive concepts. The police said he had a .22 with a scope, and a shotgun. Anyone with the faintest knowledge of firearms would never mistake a .22 for a shotgun, especially when viewing the business end from up close. Admittedly, the witness was probably a little rattled, but still. A likely explanation is that the guy is only familiar with long guns in the context of skeet shooting clubs (that he would never belong to), so he had no idea what kind of weapon he was looking at and he called it the only type he was even vaguely familiar with. Now, an American would have been able to distinguish the guage or caliber of the weapon ... and a good American would have used his own large-caliber handgun to take the bastard down. I mean this guy drove around for how long (?) through rural areas, from town to town... while the radio broadcast warnings to all and sundry. Crowds were hiding in pubs... if that had been Wyoming, fucker would have had his head blown off within minutes of the alarm having been raised. ;P
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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code_wiz wrote:
I wonder if innocent people can even dare to walk in the streets in day light anymore.
Check the odds of getting hit by something like this to the odds of dying in a car accident, or perhaps falling down your own stairs. It's a safe bet that someone like this won't find you, but you can lose even safe bets some of the time.
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code_wiz wrote:
I can't believe this can happen in Britain. I have heard of mentally retarted twits like this in USA killing people at random for fun, but i cannot believe this can happen in Britain.
Here's a list you should maybe read.[^]
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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(The following is only partially tongue in cheek...) Hey, look at it this way - at least people in the US would be able to give accurate testimony regarding the weapon(s) used. Can't find the BBC story at the moment, but... one witness, widely quoted, described how the perp stalked his first victims around a taxi stand. The witness repeatedly described the weapon, which he saw up close, as a 'shotgun with a scope'. First, come on - a shotgun and a scope are kind of mutually exclusive concepts. The police said he had a .22 with a scope, and a shotgun. Anyone with the faintest knowledge of firearms would never mistake a .22 for a shotgun, especially when viewing the business end from up close. Admittedly, the witness was probably a little rattled, but still. A likely explanation is that the guy is only familiar with long guns in the context of skeet shooting clubs (that he would never belong to), so he had no idea what kind of weapon he was looking at and he called it the only type he was even vaguely familiar with. Now, an American would have been able to distinguish the guage or caliber of the weapon ... and a good American would have used his own large-caliber handgun to take the bastard down. I mean this guy drove around for how long (?) through rural areas, from town to town... while the radio broadcast warnings to all and sundry. Crowds were hiding in pubs... if that had been Wyoming, fucker would have had his head blown off within minutes of the alarm having been raised. ;P
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Guns are illegal here in the UK. The only people who have them are the police and the army. Of course criminals have them. And farmers, who are allowed. You can apply for a license but that is quite hard to get. I have never handled a real weapon whilst in the UK. What would be the point? The vast majority of people have no need of them, for any reason. The gunman, apparently, had a gun license for many years though I've not seen why he needed them.
LunaticFringe wrote:
if that had been Wyoming, f***er would have had his head blown off within minutes of the alarm having been raised.
Really? Many people who carry guns have never actually had to use them. To draw your weapon and shoot at another person, never having done so before, even if directly threatened, is not most peoples first instinct unless you have been highly trained to do so.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Guns are illegal here in the UK. The only people who have them are the police and the army. Of course criminals have them. And farmers, who are allowed. You can apply for a license but that is quite hard to get. I have never handled a real weapon whilst in the UK. What would be the point? The vast majority of people have no need of them, for any reason. The gunman, apparently, had a gun license for many years though I've not seen why he needed them.
LunaticFringe wrote:
if that had been Wyoming, f***er would have had his head blown off within minutes of the alarm having been raised.
Really? Many people who carry guns have never actually had to use them. To draw your weapon and shoot at another person, never having done so before, even if directly threatened, is not most peoples first instinct unless you have been highly trained to do so.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
digital man wrote:
even if directly threatened
I believe a person threatened is a very dangerous person and would most likely shoot (if he / she would hit anything that's another thing). Self preservation is one of men's primal instincts so... But never having been in a situation where I was threatened to the point of becoming dangerous and not owning a gun I can't really say what I would do.
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digital man wrote:
even if directly threatened
I believe a person threatened is a very dangerous person and would most likely shoot (if he / she would hit anything that's another thing). Self preservation is one of men's primal instincts so... But never having been in a situation where I was threatened to the point of becoming dangerous and not owning a gun I can't really say what I would do.
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
But never having been in a situation where I was threatened to the point of becoming dangerous and not owning a gun I can't really say what I would do.
I think that is entirely the point. The vast majority of people, when threatened with violence, freeze and are incapable of doing anything further to protect themselves, regardless of how capable or well armed they are or they will attempt to flee. The instinct to stand and fight is, I would imagine, rare and proportionate to the perceived level of threat. e.g. I might stand and fight you if we are unarmed but I would probably try to run if you had a knife. I'd probably still run, if I could, even if I had a knife. A gun makes the argument moot: you can't outrun a bullet. On the other hand most people are pretty poor shots and couldn't hit a barn door from 20 feet, never mind aiming and firing at another person.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100603/tuk-police-may-never-know-motive-for-mas-dba1618.html[^] I can't believe this can happen in Britain. I have heard of mentally retarted twits like this in USA killing people at random for fun, but i cannot believe this can happen in Britain. There have never been random shooting rampage like this in the UK for a long time. Its a shame that this b*****d goes aroun dkilling people at random who are not connected to him in any way, just because he has had a family fued. I wonder if innocent people can even dare to walk in the streets in day light anymore. Such a non-sensical barbaric act.
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code_wiz wrote:
There have never been random shooting rampage like this in the UK for a long time.
Hungerford. The dude in the school with the knife. There was another one just before that, but I forget where.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I have a fair understanding of the kettle of crazy the rest of world believes America to be. My comment was more about how he didn't think anyone in darling old Britain could ever be batshit crazy. Those people are everywhere. And yes, the US does take the prize for heavily arming as many as possible... myself included :-D
oh there are many people that you could label "fruit loops!" but rarely does it involve guns.
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
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Guns are illegal here in the UK. The only people who have them are the police and the army. Of course criminals have them. And farmers, who are allowed. You can apply for a license but that is quite hard to get. I have never handled a real weapon whilst in the UK. What would be the point? The vast majority of people have no need of them, for any reason. The gunman, apparently, had a gun license for many years though I've not seen why he needed them.
LunaticFringe wrote:
if that had been Wyoming, f***er would have had his head blown off within minutes of the alarm having been raised.
Really? Many people who carry guns have never actually had to use them. To draw your weapon and shoot at another person, never having done so before, even if directly threatened, is not most peoples first instinct unless you have been highly trained to do so.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
yes its known that the UK is one of the hardest places to get a gun licence you apply for one through the police. they then check the following 1. your want to have a licence for 2. your mental state and abuse of booze and drugs if they think your of sound mind and body then your home is then checked to see where and what your going to store the guns in, if thats ok then you get given a licence for 5 yrs. but after hungerford i believe anything that isn't for general farm use is to be kept at a gun club.
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
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code_wiz wrote:
I can't believe this can happen in Britain. I have heard of mentally retarted twits like this in USA killing people at random for fun, but i cannot believe this can happen in Britain.
Here's a list you should maybe read.[^]
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
16. Copeland, DavidDavid Copeland, 22 04.30 April 30 1999 London U.K. 3 79 79 O Sentenced to 6 concurrent life sentences 16. Stone, Michael, 32 03.16 March 16 1988 Belfast U.K. 3 68 68 F O Sentenced to 682 years Both killed the same number of people, yet the sentences were wildly different. Of course one is Irish, the other English...
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Guns are illegal here in the UK. The only people who have them are the police and the army. Of course criminals have them. And farmers, who are allowed. You can apply for a license but that is quite hard to get. I have never handled a real weapon whilst in the UK. What would be the point? The vast majority of people have no need of them, for any reason. The gunman, apparently, had a gun license for many years though I've not seen why he needed them.
LunaticFringe wrote:
if that had been Wyoming, f***er would have had his head blown off within minutes of the alarm having been raised.
Really? Many people who carry guns have never actually had to use them. To draw your weapon and shoot at another person, never having done so before, even if directly threatened, is not most peoples first instinct unless you have been highly trained to do so.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
digital man wrote:
The only people who have them are the police and the army. Of course criminals have them. And farmers,
And people who hunt, or shoot, or do target shooting, or just collect old guns (which dont need a permit), or schools which have cadet forces. So, in my time in the UK I have fired: Rifles: Lee Enfield MK1V .303 Remingtion .308 Martini Henry .22 Anschutz .22 Lee Enfield .22 Remington .22 Pistols: Remington 9mm Colt .36 Navy A .22 target pistol Shotguns: Winchester 12 gauge repeater Remington 12 gauge semi automatic Various 12 gauge side by sides and over unders And an 8 gauge goose gun (with rather nice Damascus twist barrles) .410 The school also had a Bren gun but I never fired it. My father in law (who is an avid hunter and gun dealer has an extraordinary selection of guns rifles and pistols, (even a Smith and Wesson .359) none of which I have ever used). During all this time I have never had a license for a weapon, nor have I ever owned one. SO you can see there are rather a lot knocking around the UK.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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16. Copeland, DavidDavid Copeland, 22 04.30 April 30 1999 London U.K. 3 79 79 O Sentenced to 6 concurrent life sentences 16. Stone, Michael, 32 03.16 March 16 1988 Belfast U.K. 3 68 68 F O Sentenced to 682 years Both killed the same number of people, yet the sentences were wildly different. Of course one is Irish, the other English...
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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16. Copeland, DavidDavid Copeland, 22 04.30 April 30 1999 London U.K. 3 79 79 O Sentenced to 6 concurrent life sentences 16. Stone, Michael, 32 03.16 March 16 1988 Belfast U.K. 3 68 68 F O Sentenced to 682 years Both killed the same number of people, yet the sentences were wildly different. Of course one is Irish, the other English...
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Micheal Stone was a terrorist Copeland was the nail bomber that targeted the blacks and gays
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
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digital man wrote:
The only people who have them are the police and the army. Of course criminals have them. And farmers,
And people who hunt, or shoot, or do target shooting, or just collect old guns (which dont need a permit), or schools which have cadet forces. So, in my time in the UK I have fired: Rifles: Lee Enfield MK1V .303 Remingtion .308 Martini Henry .22 Anschutz .22 Lee Enfield .22 Remington .22 Pistols: Remington 9mm Colt .36 Navy A .22 target pistol Shotguns: Winchester 12 gauge repeater Remington 12 gauge semi automatic Various 12 gauge side by sides and over unders And an 8 gauge goose gun (with rather nice Damascus twist barrles) .410 The school also had a Bren gun but I never fired it. My father in law (who is an avid hunter and gun dealer has an extraordinary selection of guns rifles and pistols, (even a Smith and Wesson .359) none of which I have ever used). During all this time I have never had a license for a weapon, nor have I ever owned one. SO you can see there are rather a lot knocking around the UK.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
And people who hunt, or shoot, or do target shooting, or just collect old guns (which dont need a permit), or schools which have cadet forces.
You are correct - just thought my list was already getting too long but worth you adding the others.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum