Difference between c# and VB.Net
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J a a n s wrote:
with out any satisfactory reasons from the HR dept
That's their prerogative. If, for instance, they are interviewing lots of people then they, quite frankly, don't have to give you a reason. They are doing you the favour of interviewing you, not the other way round.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
They are doing you the favour of interviewing you, not the other way round.
I completely disagree. I have never, and never will, grovel for a job. My employers have ALWAYS understood that I was doing them as big a favor letting them use my talent as they were doing for me by willing to do business with me. You will be better paid and better respected if you keep that frame-of-mind in an interview instead of carrying the "please hire me" attitude. The latter is a loser's mentality. -Max
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Last weekend I went for an interview in a Reputed organization. The first question from the interview panel was the difference between VB.Net and C#. I just came back!!! Can any one here spot the differences :)
"Never put off until run time what you can do at compile time." - David Gries, in "Compiler Construction for Digital Computers", circa 1969.
C# more closely resembles a real programming language. The keyword being "resembles". ;P
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Last weekend I went for an interview in a Reputed organization. The first question from the interview panel was the difference between VB.Net and C#. I just came back!!! Can any one here spot the differences :)
"Never put off until run time what you can do at compile time." - David Gries, in "Compiler Construction for Digital Computers", circa 1969.
You can accomplish pretty much the same thing with both. I use 'em both. I prefer C# now for new code, but I don't mind maintaining our huge code base written in VB.Net either. They both compile to IL and get the job done. This is a really old topic, though not as old as the silly "Linux vs. Windows" one is! -Max ;-)
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4 hours is nothing. This is a strategy I may encourage to my employer, to weed out people who don't actually want a job. Or who are to self important.. I waited for 2 hours on a conference call for a client .. 3 work days ago. One of the things that makes an organization respectable is that they WILL WAIT .. PATIENTLY for a client, and not get flustered or become RUDE when that client has the time to interact with the company. Your attitude would not have made it past the interviewing process of my employer.
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
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Sure, because everyone wins when you only hire the desperate and those with no self-esteem. I shudder to think of what level of talent you must have in your organization. Do you motivate with whips as well?
Patience is a virtue. How well would this guy represent your company when he is sent out to do an onsite demo, and the client has.. for any reason needed to put him off until they have their ducks in a row.. will he go in there all huffy and hostile? or will he go in there and be understanding... I personally wouldn't want to work for a company who would have an employee who is so self righteous that he/she couldn't be bothered to sit patiently until an internal matter had been taken care of. And yes we have whips but they are only for the self righteous and those that never make mistakes. :-\
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
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Patience is a virtue. How well would this guy represent your company when he is sent out to do an onsite demo, and the client has.. for any reason needed to put him off until they have their ducks in a row.. will he go in there all huffy and hostile? or will he go in there and be understanding... I personally wouldn't want to work for a company who would have an employee who is so self righteous that he/she couldn't be bothered to sit patiently until an internal matter had been taken care of. And yes we have whips but they are only for the self righteous and those that never make mistakes. :-\
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
That's quite different than just making a guy sit and wait for no reason. If there's a scheduling problem, or an emergency comes up, sure. I'd wait. But if the company just has a policy of letting an interviewee sit for hours just to see if he/she will, that's BS. If it works for you, then great. I can pretty much guarantee I'll never work for you.
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I agree in general. But I personally have experience, knowledge and good interview technique. Therefore its always a hiree's market. If a company is after a candidate who is willing to wait 4 hrs without ecxplaination, they're not after me.
I read a great article the other week that talked about developers' ego and how the only truly common belief among us is that "I am smarter/better than everyone else". This seems to be a mix of that and pure perspective. Someone hiring wants to believe they can hire anyone and that they're doing you a service by interviewing you. Someone looking tends to believe that they are somehow better than every other candidate out there and therefore you'd be lucky to hire them. It's a two way process and neither party will be happy or productive unless both parties are both interviewers and interviewees.
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J4amieC wrote:
I can take any job I please, they are looking for 1 individual. Therefore Im doing them the favour of offering my services, if they don't cut the mustard (and that includes shoddy interview/working practices) I hit the door and walk into the next interview.
In a strong employment market, this is the case. The reality, at the moment, is that I don't need to hire you - there are a lot of others who would be willing to take the job. It's a hirers market at the moment and if you need a job, you can't afford to be that choosy; unless you fancy flipping burgers.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
It's not a matter of a strong market for employers or employees, it is about courtesy. If the reality is that you don't need to hire them, then it is a real waste of the candidate's time to be there when they could be pursuing a viable position. Taking advantage of a market is one thing, but a person is another matter. Because you feel you can do without them or they need you more than you need them speaks very poorly of you not the candidate. If you are discourteous to the candidate, would you feel snubbed if they just got up and walked out? If you are looking for people to kowtow to you, then shame on you.
slartybardfast, but not too fast.
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J4amieC wrote:
I can take any job I please, they are looking for 1 individual. Therefore Im doing them the favour of offering my services, if they don't cut the mustard (and that includes shoddy interview/working practices) I hit the door and walk into the next interview.
In a strong employment market, this is the case. The reality, at the moment, is that I don't need to hire you - there are a lot of others who would be willing to take the job. It's a hirers market at the moment and if you need a job, you can't afford to be that choosy; unless you fancy flipping burgers.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
It doesn't speak well for you or your organization if you think developers are interchangeable regardless of economic conditions. Organizations that have that attitude always end up with a statistically impressive set of third rate programmers. That's because the good ones get tired of not being valued, watching inferior ideas win, etc, and easily can move on, while mediocre programmers eventually realize that they've finally found a job that won't weed them out. This process accelerates until all you have is mediocre programmers that know they suck and count themselves lucky to have a job, and inferior programmers that have yet to figure that out. The only way good programmers come in is via new hires. In other words, by accident, and they leave once they wise up.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
They are doing you the favour of interviewing you, not the other way round.
I completely disagree. I have never, and never will, grovel for a job. My employers have ALWAYS understood that I was doing them as big a favor letting them use my talent as they were doing for me by willing to do business with me. You will be better paid and better respected if you keep that frame-of-mind in an interview instead of carrying the "please hire me" attitude. The latter is a loser's mentality. -Max
Exactly. It is better to be the oppressor than to be the oppressed!
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J4amieC wrote:
I can take any job I please, they are looking for 1 individual. Therefore Im doing them the favour of offering my services, if they don't cut the mustard (and that includes shoddy interview/working practices) I hit the door and walk into the next interview.
In a strong employment market, this is the case. The reality, at the moment, is that I don't need to hire you - there are a lot of others who would be willing to take the job. It's a hirers market at the moment and if you need a job, you can't afford to be that choosy; unless you fancy flipping burgers.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
The reality, at the moment, is that I don't need to hire you - there are a lot of others who would be willing to take the job. It's a hirers market at the moment and if you need a job, you can't afford to be that choosy; unless you fancy flipping burgers.
Of course that attitude is unlikely to change when the market reverses. And it is likely to be reflected in other ways in the job environment as well. Thus one can be sure that when the market does reverse that all of the good employees will exit immediately.
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Patience is a virtue. How well would this guy represent your company when he is sent out to do an onsite demo, and the client has.. for any reason needed to put him off until they have their ducks in a row.. will he go in there all huffy and hostile? or will he go in there and be understanding... I personally wouldn't want to work for a company who would have an employee who is so self righteous that he/she couldn't be bothered to sit patiently until an internal matter had been taken care of. And yes we have whips but they are only for the self righteous and those that never make mistakes. :-\
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
ely_bob wrote:
How well would this guy represent your company when he is sent out to do an onsite demo, and the client has.. for any reason needed to put him off until they have their ducks in a row.. will he go in there all huffy and hostile? or will he go in there and be understanding... I personally wouldn't want to work for a company who would have an employee who is so self righteous that he/she couldn't be bothered to sit patiently until an internal matter had been taken care of.
Which completely ignores the point that one should be given a reason during the wait and also be given updates on further delays and/or estimates of how long the delay might be. Mutual respect in all business relationships is important for all parties. Without due consideration for the person waiting it demonstrates a lack of respect and perhaps a deliberate one at that. And true regardless of the relationship between those involved. And in the same situation you described reputable companies, when the market reverses, are likely to drop customers who are so disorganized or arrogant that the feel such waits are acceptable. After all as the employer whose employee is doing nothing but spending time on a couch how is that influencing your bottom line?
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Marcus_Idle wrote:
asked a fairly open question
My discussion was scheduled at 9:30 AM, and was done at 1:30 PM, till then I had to wait there, with out any satisfactory reasons from the HR dept. I was so frustrated when I went to the panel. Listening to the first question from the panel made me think otherwise.
"Never put off until run time what you can do at compile time." - David Gries, in "Compiler Construction for Digital Computers", circa 1969.
They did not show you much, did they. Not a good start. A job interview is a transaction of importance and they dropped the ball. You sometimes have to deal with humans when you go to these things....and also later, after they hire you...so I guess you will be better prepared next time. :)
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J4amieC wrote:
I can take any job I please, they are looking for 1 individual. Therefore Im doing them the favour of offering my services, if they don't cut the mustard (and that includes shoddy interview/working practices) I hit the door and walk into the next interview.
In a strong employment market, this is the case. The reality, at the moment, is that I don't need to hire you - there are a lot of others who would be willing to take the job. It's a hirers market at the moment and if you need a job, you can't afford to be that choosy; unless you fancy flipping burgers.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Flipping burgers? Have you even tried to get a burger flipping job recently? Good luck there too! ;)
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It is very rude, though - 30 mins is ok, but 4 hours is taking the mickey! Especially if the interview is pretty early - 09:30 makes it what, the second of the day? If that is the general attitude of the company, then they don't seem to give a monkeys for the staff. I would probably walk out; it's not as if they are paying me to be there...
Did you know: That by counting the rings on a tree trunk, you can tell how many other trees it has slept with.
Not only rude, but indicative of a culture of not meeting expectations.
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Last weekend I went for an interview in a Reputed organization. The first question from the interview panel was the difference between VB.Net and C#. I just came back!!! Can any one here spot the differences :)
"Never put off until run time what you can do at compile time." - David Gries, in "Compiler Construction for Digital Computers", circa 1969.
This is very limited info that leads to generalizations and plenty of fantasies. If you were applying to a job with customer contact, the question could be a potential customer's question easily answered: "VB is more explicit, easier to understand by non-specialists, C# ist more technical and dense. Both are very similar in function." - or something along these lines. The long waiting time might have served to test your intitiative: Will you ask at all about further proceedings or just wait for your fate to hit you? Are you able to ask it in a polite way? And so on...
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Last weekend I went for an interview in a Reputed organization. The first question from the interview panel was the difference between VB.Net and C#. I just came back!!! Can any one here spot the differences :)
"Never put off until run time what you can do at compile time." - David Gries, in "Compiler Construction for Digital Computers", circa 1969.
If I had to answer that, I would say don't worry. Try looking at the difference between these languages and F#.
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I agree in general. But I personally have experience, knowledge and good interview technique. Therefore its always a hiree's market. If a company is after a candidate who is willing to wait 4 hrs without ecxplaination, they're not after me.
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VB.NETis a crap,C#is a truly advanced language. They are functionally equivalent. :rolleyes:If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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4 hours is nothing. This is a strategy I may encourage to my employer, to weed out people who don't actually want a job. Or who are to self important.. I waited for 2 hours on a conference call for a client .. 3 work days ago. One of the things that makes an organization respectable is that they WILL WAIT .. PATIENTLY for a client, and not get flustered or become RUDE when that client has the time to interact with the company. Your attitude would not have made it past the interviewing process of my employer.
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
If you want a bunch of employees who have zero loyalty to you and will jump ship at the first better offer, then go for it. Otherwise I'd suggest reevaluating your decision. The funny thing is I can't pick up a business rag without coming across an article/letter/ etc. discussing the inability to keep good people on staff and how much of a problem it can be. The solution is quite simple; it's stupid stuff like this that drives good people away. Sure making someone wait around for no reason will weed out prima-donnas, but even in this economy it will also weed out most people who are competent enough to get a job elsewhere.
