Speaking in 'toungues'
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You should do what I do and always have a dictionary handy! :)
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Hit ruge onahit neqew rabum cahoc, li urudus gehages tenare madeli solen citena tutomu me iyego. Ierafap bacoliet ehonier lawece mi maninil. Eherol reguni ne delete tadietew otuninas ribix, sotas udohi sa cot: Tariepar pelabiy nesos irel rose omene elaya gise cutie gor? Epi honisoc ti, sata isarur seteqot let cif sedi dawer. Tiet cienemer he xodeso tolon. Putiroh towelie ro ropi fomil itutem etedare? Ecelen rexulet ra sunema notorut ipoh ucedamif nic; yemem lapa imal. Dare nisasey liedoh. Tisisop asudo tarosok yeyegan atotidie one ilil siponuh cen egepe. Ebim ebini otatesi rid fop bodarat iloco poc! Pare teriwec se sacaze delo pihecet cu losohas cacehas. Etogomie yoni ewic gayu bem peweg tidas ece lawaco. Tule ebipemo mohetod noson ca. Pa giligi yemi doma mitate.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Too slow, and really beyond caring!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Use an electronic dictionary/thesaurus. It's brilliant.
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Hit ruge onahit neqew rabum cahoc, li urudus gehages tenare madeli solen citena tutomu me iyego. Ierafap bacoliet ehonier lawece mi maninil. Eherol reguni ne delete tadietew otuninas ribix, sotas udohi sa cot: Tariepar pelabiy nesos irel rose omene elaya gise cutie gor? Epi honisoc ti, sata isarur seteqot let cif sedi dawer. Tiet cienemer he xodeso tolon. Putiroh towelie ro ropi fomil itutem etedare? Ecelen rexulet ra sunema notorut ipoh ucedamif nic; yemem lapa imal. Dare nisasey liedoh. Tisisop asudo tarosok yeyegan atotidie one ilil siponuh cen egepe. Ebim ebini otatesi rid fop bodarat iloco poc! Pare teriwec se sacaze delo pihecet cu losohas cacehas. Etogomie yoni ewic gayu bem peweg tidas ece lawaco. Tule ebipemo mohetod noson ca. Pa giligi yemi doma mitate.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
Each word you used exactly once. That's not very consistent with a language.
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Use an electronic dictionary/thesaurus. It's brilliant.
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Each word you used exactly once. That's not very consistent with a language.
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Hit ruge onahit neqew rabum cahoc, li urudus gehages tenare madeli solen citena tutomu me iyego. Ierafap bacoliet ehonier lawece mi maninil. Eherol reguni ne delete tadietew otuninas ribix, sotas udohi sa cot: Tariepar pelabiy nesos irel rose omene elaya gise cutie gor? Epi honisoc ti, sata isarur seteqot let cif sedi dawer. Tiet cienemer he xodeso tolon. Putiroh towelie ro ropi fomil itutem etedare? Ecelen rexulet ra sunema notorut ipoh ucedamif nic; yemem lapa imal. Dare nisasey liedoh. Tisisop asudo tarosok yeyegan atotidie one ilil siponuh cen egepe. Ebim ebini otatesi rid fop bodarat iloco poc! Pare teriwec se sacaze delo pihecet cu losohas cacehas. Etogomie yoni ewic gayu bem peweg tidas ece lawaco. Tule ebipemo mohetod noson ca. Pa giligi yemi doma mitate.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Yeah, so it is basically a load of gibberish and not a language.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Yeah, so it is basically a load of gibberish and not a language.
The telling part was... [Glossolalia] consists of strings of syllables, made up of sounds taken from all those that the speaker knows, put together more or less haphazardly ... Why would God's language be limited to using the sounds the speaker already knows? And does that mean that speakers with different first languages and know a different set of sounds speak a different tongue language? I can see it now "What's he saying Pastor?" "oh, that's Mexican tongues" "damn illegals"
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Hit ruge onahit neqew rabum cahoc, li urudus gehages tenare madeli solen citena tutomu me iyego. Ierafap bacoliet ehonier lawece mi maninil. Eherol reguni ne delete tadietew otuninas ribix, sotas udohi sa cot: Tariepar pelabiy nesos irel rose omene elaya gise cutie gor? Epi honisoc ti, sata isarur seteqot let cif sedi dawer. Tiet cienemer he xodeso tolon. Putiroh towelie ro ropi fomil itutem etedare? Ecelen rexulet ra sunema notorut ipoh ucedamif nic; yemem lapa imal. Dare nisasey liedoh. Tisisop asudo tarosok yeyegan atotidie one ilil siponuh cen egepe. Ebim ebini otatesi rid fop bodarat iloco poc! Pare teriwec se sacaze delo pihecet cu losohas cacehas. Etogomie yoni ewic gayu bem peweg tidas ece lawaco. Tule ebipemo mohetod noson ca. Pa giligi yemi doma mitate.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Which is what the wiki article Josh linked to said. ie, its not a language. Well spotted though, but a little nala perhaps! :)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Which is what the wiki article Josh linked to said. ie, its not a language.
Oh, I didn't even see that.
fat_boy wrote:
Well spotted though, but a little nala perhaps!
A little...nala? :confused:
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fat_boy wrote:
Yeah, so it is basically a load of gibberish and not a language.
The telling part was... [Glossolalia] consists of strings of syllables, made up of sounds taken from all those that the speaker knows, put together more or less haphazardly ... Why would God's language be limited to using the sounds the speaker already knows? And does that mean that speakers with different first languages and know a different set of sounds speak a different tongue language? I can see it now "What's he saying Pastor?" "oh, that's Mexican tongues" "damn illegals"
Josh Gray wrote:
And does that mean that speakers with different first languages and know a different set of sounds speak a different tongue language
Yes.
Josh Gray wrote:
"What's he saying Pastor?" "oh, that's Mexican tongues" "damn illegals"
:)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Which is what the wiki article Josh linked to said. ie, its not a language.
Oh, I didn't even see that.
fat_boy wrote:
Well spotted though, but a little nala perhaps!
A little...nala? :confused:
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people.
No one is so paranoid as to not be to be duped by something in their life. While I have mocked them myself because I found it pretty funny I wouldn't pick an argument just so I could bash them.
fat_boy wrote:
How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god?
They have faith and have provided themselves with nonscientific proof.
fat_boy wrote:
So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Did you only start this thread to be insidiary and combative?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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fat_boy wrote:
I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people.
No one is so paranoid as to not be to be duped by something in their life. While I have mocked them myself because I found it pretty funny I wouldn't pick an argument just so I could bash them.
fat_boy wrote:
How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god?
They have faith and have provided themselves with nonscientific proof.
fat_boy wrote:
So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Did you only start this thread to be insidiary and combative?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do.
*grin* yes, well, I have been clear that I do, and I think there was a thread yesterday where some others say they do.
fat_boy wrote:
Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny.
The Bible says that God has deliberately chosen things that seem foolish, so as to confound people who think they are wise. The simple answer is, if you just observe it, and do not experience it, then it seems indistinguishable from 'gibbering away', but it is not the same at all. It's actually quite clever in my mind, because it's something visible that is proof to the individual who has experienced it, but does not negate the need for faith in those who have not.
fat_boy wrote:
I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing.
I am sorry that you think I was bragging. I am not, I am just stating a fact. My experience is that I went to a lot of churches and did what they told me, but until I was told what the Bible says ( that I would speak in tongues when I became a Christian ), I saw no results in my life. When I did, my life changed completely.
fat_boy wrote:
How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god?
Well, that's actually not the claim. It's not that it's the language God speaks. It's a language God gives and understands. That's different.
fat_boy wrote:
OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit.
That's not the point of it at all. There is no claim that it's Hebrew, or any other language. It's a language only God understands, not a specific earthly language.
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fat_boy wrote:
OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do.
*grin* yes, well, I have been clear that I do, and I think there was a thread yesterday where some others say they do.
fat_boy wrote:
Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny.
The Bible says that God has deliberately chosen things that seem foolish, so as to confound people who think they are wise. The simple answer is, if you just observe it, and do not experience it, then it seems indistinguishable from 'gibbering away', but it is not the same at all. It's actually quite clever in my mind, because it's something visible that is proof to the individual who has experienced it, but does not negate the need for faith in those who have not.
fat_boy wrote:
I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing.
I am sorry that you think I was bragging. I am not, I am just stating a fact. My experience is that I went to a lot of churches and did what they told me, but until I was told what the Bible says ( that I would speak in tongues when I became a Christian ), I saw no results in my life. When I did, my life changed completely.
fat_boy wrote:
How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god?
Well, that's actually not the claim. It's not that it's the language God speaks. It's a language God gives and understands. That's different.
fat_boy wrote:
OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit.
That's not the point of it at all. There is no claim that it's Hebrew, or any other language. It's a language only God understands, not a specific earthly language.
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Lol. Well. How about "if you're not speaking in tongues, you are not really a christian"? Also, research has been done. Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active. Indicating that they're just spouting gibberish, while they remained self-conscious, so they were not "possessed". And the brain is purely chemical - if god were poking around in the brain, it would be measurable.
harold aptroot wrote:
How about "if you're not speaking in tongues, you are not really a christian"?
Well, that's what the Bible says. It depends on if you let God define Christian, or you think there is no God, in which case, anyone who wants to call themselves a Christian is free to do so.
harold aptroot wrote:
Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active.
Indicating that they don't understand what they are saying, just like the Bible says they wouldn't.
harold aptroot wrote:
And the brain is purely chemical - if god were poking around in the brain, it would be measurable.
ROTFL !!!!! The brain is chemical, but this sort of diagnosis and over examination is the self defeating. It allows people who reject God to try to take some sort of high moral ground, while simultaneously have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Given that God made my brain, why should I, with the limited human understanding of how it works, tell Him how it MUST work, for Him to exist ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So God makes people speak in a language only he can understand? Wouldn't that imply that he would already know what was being said in tongues and therefore make the entire exercise irrelevant? It's like me inventing a written language that only I understand, sending you a long email in this language for you to send back to me. What I would like to know is has anyone spoken in tongues without having heard about it before hand? If everyone that has spoken in tongues has already been told that God will interact with them this way and they want God to interact with them it seems likely that it's just their subconscious fucking with them. But you're right, it is fucking funny to see.
Josh Gray wrote:
So God makes people speak in a language only he can understand? Wouldn't that imply that he would already know what was being said in tongues and therefore make the entire exercise irrelevant?
The point is entirely that we are given the words we need to speak.
Josh Gray wrote:
What I would like to know is has anyone spoken in tongues without having heard about it before hand?
Yes. There are people in my church who prayed to God for salvation, spoke in tongues, had no idea what it meant, and found our church.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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They are not Christians at all. A Christian, at the point of conversion, speaks in tongues. That's what the Bible says. They are not deliberately fake, they are simply religious without being Christians.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.