Kung Fu vs Muscle
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
dev
The point of martial arts in general is to provide smaller/weaker people with the skills and confidence they need to stand a chance against bigger or more threatening opponents. That said, I have no experience at all with kung fu (outside of seeing the odd kung fu movie), so I can't say anything as to the particular style. In a match of two kung fu fighters (be honest, how many of you just heard that song in your head?), in which two fighters of vastly diverse weight/strength face off using the same foundation of skills, I think the heavier fellow has a good probability of winning just because he probably has better endurance. In other styles, like Judo or Aikido, it's a bit easier to use an opponent's weight against them, so I doubt weight is as much of an advantage there.
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I took Karate from a ~135lbs female about a decade back. We sparred a few times and I'm pretty sure she'd kick the crap out of my 220lbs. She could put a solid block on pretty much anything I threw at her, and the time we worked with kicking and punching the heavy bag, she was able to put quite a bit more power in to it than anyone there. So yes, it makes you a better fighter. Now ~135lb black belt vs a 220lb black belt, I'd put my money on the big guy.
I have a black belt. It keeps my black trousers up.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
No. If someone is swinging a stick at your head, you learn to become a better shot for the next time...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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This whole "weight strength" correlation is overrated. I'm not saying there is none (clearly muscles weigh something), but back when I was in school (and my strength was still regularly tested, which it isn't anymore) I used to be simultaneously the strongest and the lightest guy in my group. I also took Kung Fu lessons but I don't think they had much to do with it. edit: Shaolin Kung Fu
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The point of martial arts in general is to provide smaller/weaker people with the skills and confidence they need to stand a chance against bigger or more threatening opponents. That said, I have no experience at all with kung fu (outside of seeing the odd kung fu movie), so I can't say anything as to the particular style. In a match of two kung fu fighters (be honest, how many of you just heard that song in your head?), in which two fighters of vastly diverse weight/strength face off using the same foundation of skills, I think the heavier fellow has a good probability of winning just because he probably has better endurance. In other styles, like Judo or Aikido, it's a bit easier to use an opponent's weight against them, so I doubt weight is as much of an advantage there.
drothe wrote:
outside of seeing the odd kung fu movie
Aren't they ALL a little odd?
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
dev
Skill is important when you have the strength to utilize it. At 120lbs you should be able to trounce someone at 200lbs with no skill and just muscle. However, you will most people have some self defense skills. No matter how skilled you are in a given martial art you will find there is always someone much more skilled so the best lesson in all of martial arts is always to avoid a fight at all costs and give you the ability to disable or disarm an opponent for the times you can't avoid the fight.
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Any physical activity that exceeds the effort to aim a pistol and squeeze a trigger is overrated. I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass, but I'm sure my pistol will still kill you before you can touch me, and I won't even have to drop my beer to do it. (And if you're only 120 pounds - or even a body builder - you'll probably be completely winded before you've managed to run 20 of those yards.) FWIW, if it looks like you might get to me before the end of the five seconds, I'll just cheat and shoot you anyway. It's not that I want to win at all costs - I just don't want to take a chance on dropping my beer.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass
Quite generous of you to let your victim have one last crack at breaking the world record in the 50 yard dash.
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The point of martial arts in general is to provide smaller/weaker people with the skills and confidence they need to stand a chance against bigger or more threatening opponents. That said, I have no experience at all with kung fu (outside of seeing the odd kung fu movie), so I can't say anything as to the particular style. In a match of two kung fu fighters (be honest, how many of you just heard that song in your head?), in which two fighters of vastly diverse weight/strength face off using the same foundation of skills, I think the heavier fellow has a good probability of winning just because he probably has better endurance. In other styles, like Judo or Aikido, it's a bit easier to use an opponent's weight against them, so I doubt weight is as much of an advantage there.
drothe wrote:
so I can't say anything as to the particular style.
This is actually a common misconception. Kung fu is not the martial art - like many, I experimented with different martial arts (I started off with Wushu; particularly Chang Chuan) and Wushu is the martial aspect. Kung fu very roughly translates to "time and energy" and can relate to any discipline that takes time and effort to learn, e.g. piano. There are many styles of Wushu.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
No. If someone is swinging a stick at your head, you learn to become a better shot for the next time...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
-----
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Unlike Americans, here in the UK, we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns. We're secure enough in our manhood not to need to use firearms. Firearms don't make you more virile; it's a Phallusy.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Skill is important when you have the strength to utilize it. At 120lbs you should be able to trounce someone at 200lbs with no skill and just muscle. However, you will most people have some self defense skills. No matter how skilled you are in a given martial art you will find there is always someone much more skilled so the best lesson in all of martial arts is always to avoid a fight at all costs and give you the ability to disable or disarm an opponent for the times you can't avoid the fight.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
so the best lesson in all of martial arts is always to avoid a fight at all costs
It's the most important lesson you're taught. The fight portion, outside of the discipline of the school, is truly a last resort.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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drothe wrote:
so I can't say anything as to the particular style.
This is actually a common misconception. Kung fu is not the martial art - like many, I experimented with different martial arts (I started off with Wushu; particularly Chang Chuan) and Wushu is the martial aspect. Kung fu very roughly translates to "time and energy" and can relate to any discipline that takes time and effort to learn, e.g. piano. There are many styles of Wushu.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
dev
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass
Quite generous of you to let your victim have one last crack at breaking the world record in the 50 yard dash.
Closer than 20 feet, man beat gun!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
dev
Well, actual strength and overall muscle mass do not directly correlate, so will you may be huge you might not be a strong as a smaller guy. For example, in the Worlds Strongest Man competition things there are some huge-huge guys and some regular-huge guys but their huge-huge guy's extra muscle mass may not actually give them that much of an advantage at all. Also, as for martial arts and skill vs raw strength remember that Force = Mass x Acceleration and it's not that difficult to outweigh extra mass with acceleration, so a lighter faster person may actually be able to hit harder. Of course if you get in a situation where the stronger guy grabs the martial artist then I don't suppose it matters how fast you are, you're probably going to get flattened!
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
so the best lesson in all of martial arts is always to avoid a fight at all costs
It's the most important lesson you're taught. The fight portion, outside of the discipline of the school, is truly a last resort.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Yep, that's what they drilled into our heads when I took Karate. You learn how to defend yourself, but also to use it only as a last resort.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Unlike Americans, here in the UK, we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns. We're secure enough in our manhood not to need to use firearms. Firearms don't make you more virile; it's a Phallusy.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Yep, that's what they drilled into our heads when I took Karate. You learn how to defend yourself, but also to use it only as a last resort.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I always thought Skegness was the last resort!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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I have a black belt. It keeps my black trousers up.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Unlike Americans, here in the UK, we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns. We're secure enough in our manhood not to need to use firearms. Firearms don't make you more virile; it's a Phallusy.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
