Kung Fu vs Muscle
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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big skilled human > small skilled human > big unskilled human > small unskilled human. Size helps, but skill does take precedence. I trained ninjutsu at one time in my life, and I must say that even after 3 years of training it was obvious to me that the much lighter and physically weaker instructors assistant (a girl no less) could kick my ass in under 3 seconds... Even if someone is weaker, if they are well trained, they will be faster, avoid and block blows, hit harder, and actually have an idea of what to do to win... Moral of the story: If you see someone adopt a fighting posture, step back :) disclaimer: this post is meant as a comparison in a perfect "all things being equal" setting, and does not take into account any special conditions such as one combatant holding a gun and beer and the other one running toward him for 50 yards :-D
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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I've got black sox
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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Kung Fu the martial art, definitely go for the body builder. :P The main thing to consider is that each art is just that, an art. Boxing to fencing to escrima to muay thai. Each in their current form is an art designed to compete against other practitioners of the art. Like a school of fencing. Learning foil means you can fence against other people who know foil, not duel. Having said that, the majority of martial arts will definitely increase speed and reflexes, so you will hit the body builder more often than they'll hit you. You'll also know how to efficiently block and counter. Being a blue belt in karate won't make you awesome and let you beat the body builder, know how to improvise, being very quick and slacking off on the formalities of karate, and your chances of winning go up very quickly. Theoretically of course. ;P
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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The size of your penis has nothing to do with it. If I could kill someone at 100 yards with my penis, I wouldn't need a gun. :)
Having studied several different forms of close quarter combat systems I can tell you the stuff is no joke. Do you need to be ultra flexible and supper fast? no but it helps. In the end short simple moves work every time. I've trained my kids to go after the soft targets, eyes, ears, nose, throat, groin. Even a small child can inflict sever damage to these areas if properly instructed. Plus the human body can be taken apart quite easily if you know how. The collar bone will break with just ~5lbs of pressure. You can generate sufficient power with just your thumb to snap someones wrist regardless of how muscular they are. ~80lbs of pressure to the outside of an attackers knee will pop the sucker apart. so on and so on. Oh and I can kill someone at 100 yards with my penis, I thought everyone could...
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima
Escrime is the French word for fencing. I wonder if they two are related.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It wouldn't surprise me.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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I like either a big rock moving really fast, as in: A big rock moving really fast took out the dinosaurs. Or a thousand monkeys as in: The US elected a thousand monkeys to run their government for the benefit of foreign squatters and they got a great depression death spiral. The utility of these is that you can be far enough away that the target doesn’t know where it came from. And it sets up conditions in which the death takes a while. Great entertainment. Your big muscled kung fu is no match for my big rock and thousand monkeys. Ha Ha
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But strength of tie is physically conditioning more than "Form" don't you think? It's strength, muscle, physical conditioning, tough sheen that gives a thai fighter his combat effectiveness, not "The Dance".
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A lot of it is technique. Strength is useful, but technique is vital. That comes through hundreds of hours of practice.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Any physical activity that exceeds the effort to aim a pistol and squeeze a trigger is overrated. I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass, but I'm sure my pistol will still kill you before you can touch me, and I won't even have to drop my beer to do it. (And if you're only 120 pounds - or even a body builder - you'll probably be completely winded before you've managed to run 20 of those yards.) FWIW, if it looks like you might get to me before the end of the five seconds, I'll just cheat and shoot you anyway. It's not that I want to win at all costs - I just don't want to take a chance on dropping my beer.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 200150 yards? Most fights start and take place within the space of a few square feet. Try and draw your handgun from concealment while someone is pounding on you. And if that person knows how and where to strike, good luck to you. Just my personal opinion as a student of martial arts and an instructor for the usage of handguns in self-defense.
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I took Karate from a ~135lbs female about a decade back. We sparred a few times and I'm pretty sure she'd kick the crap out of my 220lbs. She could put a solid block on pretty much anything I threw at her, and the time we worked with kicking and punching the heavy bag, she was able to put quite a bit more power in to it than anyone there. So yes, it makes you a better fighter. Now ~135lb black belt vs a 220lb black belt, I'd put my money on the big guy.
Probably. An acquaintance of mine was about 6'6" 250lbs of muscle and made a few disparaging remarks on skill vs size in a fight to his <100lbs girl friend who had a blackbelt in something. About the only thing his size meant was that in making her counterpoint she wasn't able to bounce him off the floor *gently*.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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Closer than 20 feet, man beat gun!
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns
I'm not measuring anything, and I'm not questioning anyone's manhood. I'm simply saying that if I'm standing there shooting at someone and they get close enough to be swinging at me with a stick, I'll use that as a learning opportunity and practice more often. Would you feel better if I was using a bow/arrow? BTW, I agree. Guns don't make you more virile, but they do make great equalizers.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001I have studied martial arts for thirty-five years. Every now and then somebody allways comes up with the statement that they "would just shoot" me. I like to reach over and slap them and then ask why they didn't shoot me to stop me. This isn't the wild west. Most people DO NOT carry guns with them in public. Doing so gets you thrown in jail. Even waving a gun around in public can get you shot by the police, if they think you are threatening someone's life. A gun has a limited amount of ammunition and must be in your hand (not locked safely away in a gun safe where it is supposed to be most of the time) to be of any value. Martial arts training is always with you. It also teaches you how to think your way out of a fight without having to resort to violence. A gun does ONE thing. It kills. Once you pull the trigger you are commited to taking someone's life. What would you do if a buddy (drunk on a few too many of those beers you seem so fond of) decides to take a swing at you. Are you going to shoot him. Martial arts training can subdue, stun or kill. A gun can also be taken away from you and turn against you, especially if you are drinking beer and handling a gun. Something about as smart as drinking and driving. As a last thought, if you have brought a gun to a fight, chances are so has the other guy.
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I have studied martial arts for thirty-five years. Every now and then somebody allways comes up with the statement that they "would just shoot" me. I like to reach over and slap them and then ask why they didn't shoot me to stop me. This isn't the wild west. Most people DO NOT carry guns with them in public. Doing so gets you thrown in jail. Even waving a gun around in public can get you shot by the police, if they think you are threatening someone's life. A gun has a limited amount of ammunition and must be in your hand (not locked safely away in a gun safe where it is supposed to be most of the time) to be of any value. Martial arts training is always with you. It also teaches you how to think your way out of a fight without having to resort to violence. A gun does ONE thing. It kills. Once you pull the trigger you are commited to taking someone's life. What would you do if a buddy (drunk on a few too many of those beers you seem so fond of) decides to take a swing at you. Are you going to shoot him. Martial arts training can subdue, stun or kill. A gun can also be taken away from you and turn against you, especially if you are drinking beer and handling a gun. Something about as smart as drinking and driving. As a last thought, if you have brought a gun to a fight, chances are so has the other guy.
A very cogent point - especially about subduing a drunkard.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
dev
Kung Fu uses their opponents force against them. A strong and powerful punch from a muscle head is going to be slow and telegraphed unless they are also a boxer which could be considered a martial art. Mind you if a 200lbs hulk were to bear hug a 120 lbs martial artist and squeeze as hard as they could it might be game over. The martial artist knows ways to get out of grapples however so again I would still give the advantage to Kung Fu.
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It wouldn't surprise me.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
my understanding was that escrima actually derived from the Spanish occupation of the Philippines, not having a big supply of sword and daggers it evolved into using bamboo canes. (my wing chun club had a day training with Pat O'Malley and Roger Harvey - some world class escrimadors...) as to the original question, I am 6.4 220lb, black belt 2nd dan in Ju jutsu and am currently studying Wing Chun, my sifu is a wiry little bloke who can still kick my backside because he is seriously good at fighting, so yes Kung Fu works And as to the muscle bound bodybuilder thing this is hogwash, any good body builder will be as flexible and fast as any other person. Flexibility and speed come from training for them, a good bodybuilder will do this as part of their training. On the other hand I've met people in many sports who don't train for flexibility or speed and irrespective of their size were rubbish at one or both.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
dev
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Kung Fu uses their opponents force against them. A strong and powerful punch from a muscle head is going to be slow and telegraphed unless they are also a boxer which could be considered a martial art. Mind you if a 200lbs hulk were to bear hug a 120 lbs martial artist and squeeze as hard as they could it might be game over. The martial artist knows ways to get out of grapples however so again I would still give the advantage to Kung Fu.
"which could be considered a martial art." is a martial art, just because something didn't come from the east doesn't mean it's not a martial art - boxing, wrestling (proper not the TV rubbish), La Savate, Krav Marda (sp?) all spring to mind as a quick start, there are many others....
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I like either a big rock moving really fast, as in: A big rock moving really fast took out the dinosaurs. Or a thousand monkeys as in: The US elected a thousand monkeys to run their government for the benefit of foreign squatters and they got a great depression death spiral. The utility of these is that you can be far enough away that the target doesn’t know where it came from. And it sets up conditions in which the death takes a while. Great entertainment. Your big muscled kung fu is no match for my big rock and thousand monkeys. Ha Ha
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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Martial art training provides one with an advantage in terms of attitude and physical mechanics. Attitude, the will to continue for example, and well practiced balance and movement and economy of motion, offsets significant disadvantages versus larger opponents. Muscle will win, naturally, given literal equality in the other characteristics of the combatants. The good news is that there is seldom a literal equality situation in nature. The most important aspect of martial arts training is the muscle memory that it creates in the practitioner. One has something to “do” in a fight, something automatic and effective, with training. The second most important thing is that it teaches one to avoid conflict if possible.