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  • I Ian Shlasko

    New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

    Thanks to Slashdot for pointing this one out... A transcript from an NPR broadcast[^], where they discuss, well, pretty much what we discuss here... Why people are so locked into their own viewpoints (*cough*Pillowpants*cough*) that no amount of facts will convince them otherwise.

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    Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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    ragnaroknrol
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    I'm kinda sad I missed the fireworks. New career started as of this last week and I am trying to get some tasks done. This one reinforces what a lot of us know. Almost sad when you think about it.

    If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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      He is getting wise.

      Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      He is getting wise.

      You berate those who do not question their information source. You praise those who do not question their information source. Inconsistent, irrational. I praise those who question their information source, regardless of whether it is of a 'liberal' or 'conservative' persuasion. Rational.

      Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

        Thanks to Slashdot for pointing this one out... A transcript from an NPR broadcast[^], where they discuss, well, pretty much what we discuss here... Why people are so locked into their own viewpoints (*cough*Pillowpants*cough*) that no amount of facts will convince them otherwise.

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        I think I just heard the phrase "whale poop". That's awesome. :laugh: edit More to the point to what your post was. I'm reading some of the original article they're talking about. It's about 50 pages of very easy to follow thought and sources cited. It can be found at http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bnyhan/nyhan-reifler.pdf[^] end edit

        That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

        modified on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:48 PM

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        • I Ian Shlasko

          New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

          Thanks to Slashdot for pointing this one out... A transcript from an NPR broadcast[^], where they discuss, well, pretty much what we discuss here... Why people are so locked into their own viewpoints (*cough*Pillowpants*cough*) that no amount of facts will convince them otherwise.

          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
          Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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          A wild CSS appears! Ian uses Reason. It doesn't affect CSS. CSS uses random nonsense. It's not very effective. Ian uses Haiku. It's super effective! CSS uses Immature Insult. It doesn't affect Ian. Ian uses Real Insult. It's super effective! CSS is unconscious.

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            A wild CSS appears! Ian uses Reason. It doesn't affect CSS. CSS uses random nonsense. It's not very effective. Ian uses Haiku. It's super effective! CSS uses Immature Insult. It doesn't affect Ian. Ian uses Real Insult. It's super effective! CSS is unconscious.

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            Ian Shlasko
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            Ooh, does he drop any loot? :-D I've been looking for a +5 Vorpal Sword of Idiot-Smashing

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              Ooh, does he drop any loot? :-D I've been looking for a +5 Vorpal Sword of Idiot-Smashing

              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
              Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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              His drops are not known yet. You could experiment a bit to find out, though ;)

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              • I Ian Shlasko

                New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

                Thanks to Slashdot for pointing this one out... A transcript from an NPR broadcast[^], where they discuss, well, pretty much what we discuss here... Why people are so locked into their own viewpoints (*cough*Pillowpants*cough*) that no amount of facts will convince them otherwise.

                Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                Adam R Harris
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                :doh: /s NO .... facts make people change thier minds /s :wtf: EDITED to indicate sarcasim ;P

                If at first you don't succeed ... post it on The Code Project and Pray.

                modified on Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:37 AM

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                • L Lost User

                  So.. what's up with your father, getting old?

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                  too bad we can't vote in here. That was COOL!

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                  • I Ian Shlasko

                    New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

                    Thanks to Slashdot for pointing this one out... A transcript from an NPR broadcast[^], where they discuss, well, pretty much what we discuss here... Why people are so locked into their own viewpoints (*cough*Pillowpants*cough*) that no amount of facts will convince them otherwise.

                    Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                    Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                    A very good point that appliess to all of us at some time. I have worked to be able to disconnect when I feel this happening, sometimes it's a matter of walking away for five minutes.

                    Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                    • I Ian Shlasko

                      Ooh, does he drop any loot? :-D I've been looking for a +5 Vorpal Sword of Idiot-Smashing

                      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                      Stop showing our age!

                      Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                      • A Adam R Harris

                        :doh: /s NO .... facts make people change thier minds /s :wtf: EDITED to indicate sarcasim ;P

                        If at first you don't succeed ... post it on The Code Project and Pray.

                        modified on Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:37 AM

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                        riced
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                        If only that were true. It seems that if a politician changes his/her mind because new facts emerge they are accused of doing a 'U-Turn'. And that's bad thing. :) On the other hand people like CSS simply disregard all facts that contradict their preconceived ideas. :)

                        Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.

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                          Stop showing our age!

                          Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                          Ian Shlasko
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                          Bah... Nethack isn't THAT old... Err... Damn.

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                            If only that were true. It seems that if a politician changes his/her mind because new facts emerge they are accused of doing a 'U-Turn'. And that's bad thing. :) On the other hand people like CSS simply disregard all facts that contradict their preconceived ideas. :)

                            Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.

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                            Adam R Harris
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                            tee hee i was being sarcastic .... :laugh:

                            If at first you don't succeed ... post it on The Code Project and Pray.

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