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  • J Jim Crafton

    We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

    modified on Friday, July 23, 2010 1:43 PM

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    All you should need is the Jet Engine -- which should already be on the system. Try it and see.

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    • J Jim Crafton

      We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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      There is an MDAC installer. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=8f0a8df6-4a21-4b43-bf53-14332ef092c9&displaylang=en[^] I believe this is what you need.

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      • J Jim Crafton

        We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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        Rama Krishna Vavilala
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        No, as PIEBALDConsult say the jet engine is usually present in all the machines. If not you can download from: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239114[^]

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        • J Jim Crafton

          We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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          Richard Blythe
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          One important thing to remember is that "Jet" is a 32 bit dll. If your new server is 64 bit, you may run into some problems.

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            One important thing to remember is that "Jet" is a 32 bit dll. If your new server is 64 bit, you may run into some problems.

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            Jim Crafton
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            Fuck me freddy. The damn thing is 64 bit! Well, I'll have to see what happens. I'm sure this will prove to be an entertaining afternoon :)

            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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            • J Jim Crafton

              Fuck me freddy. The damn thing is 64 bit! Well, I'll have to see what happens. I'm sure this will prove to be an entertaining afternoon :)

              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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              Jon Sagara
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              You can set your app pool to run in 32-bit mode.

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                You can set your app pool to run in 32-bit mode.

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                Jim Crafton
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                That's something configured within IIS, or is the actual voodoo stored somewhere else?

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                • J Jim Crafton

                  That's something configured within IIS, or is the actual voodoo stored somewhere else?

                  ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                  Within IIS. Assuming Win2k8 R2: * Start -> Administrative Tools -> IIS Manager * Click on Application Pools * Right-click on your app pool, select Advanced Settings * Change "Enable 32-bit applications" from False to True

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                    Within IIS. Assuming Win2k8 R2: * Start -> Administrative Tools -> IIS Manager * Click on Application Pools * Right-click on your app pool, select Advanced Settings * Change "Enable 32-bit applications" from False to True

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                    Jim Crafton
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                    Actually, we're still on Win2003, but I'm sure it's somewhat similar. Thanks for the help!

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

                      modified on Friday, July 23, 2010 1:43 PM

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                      Yusuf
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                      My sympathy man. I did inherit similar web app. Decided to upgrade to SQL server. run migration tool, copied queries to SP and with little effort it was up and running. Access is simply evil. p.s. Got nothing to add to previous suggestions. I'd start right there and Good Luck

                      Yusuf May I help you?

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

                        modified on Friday, July 23, 2010 1:43 PM

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          Actually, we're still on Win2003, but I'm sure it's somewhat similar. Thanks for the help!

                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                          Jon is correct. You'll need to compile your main exe as 32bit. With Microsoft's release of SQl Server Express, I doubt they'll ever do any further major releases of the Jet engine. Access isn't all that bad however. I still use it for small database apps. It's certainly a whole lot easier to deploy!

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                            Jon is correct. You'll need to compile your main exe as 32bit. With Microsoft's release of SQl Server Express, I doubt they'll ever do any further major releases of the Jet engine. Access isn't all that bad however. I still use it for small database apps. It's certainly a whole lot easier to deploy!

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                            Jim Crafton
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                            It's classic ASP not ASP.Net, so there's nothing to compile.

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                            • J Jon Sagara

                              Within IIS. Assuming Win2k8 R2: * Start -> Administrative Tools -> IIS Manager * Click on Application Pools * Right-click on your app pool, select Advanced Settings * Change "Enable 32-bit applications" from False to True

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                              Jim Crafton
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                              How wrong I was. This is such a PITA, I'm actually going to request that the server be "downgraded" to the 32bit version of the OS. It's just not worth the hassle.

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                                How wrong I was. This is such a PITA, I'm actually going to request that the server be "downgraded" to the 32bit version of the OS. It's just not worth the hassle.

                                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                Jon Sagara
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                                Just a shot in the dark, having never done this on Win2k3 myself. Have you tried these steps? * Running 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Windows (IIS 6.0)[^] * Configuring IIS to Run 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Windows (IIS 6.0)[^]

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                                  Just a shot in the dark, having never done this on Win2k3 myself. Have you tried these steps? * Running 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Windows (IIS 6.0)[^] * Configuring IIS to Run 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Windows (IIS 6.0)[^]

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                                  Jim Crafton
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                                  Yeah, I just tried them, that in turn generates a new set of errors, which, according to this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894435[^] apparently means I need to install the 32 bit version of .Net, despite the fact that I'm NOT using ASP.net, and ASP.Net is actually disabled (why turn it on, I'm not using, right?). This is just reaching the point of absurdity. We certainly have NO need of a 64 bit OS for this machine, and I have no doubt that even if I get this to work, something else will probably break.

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                                  • J Jim Crafton

                                    We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

                                    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

                                    modified on Friday, July 23, 2010 1:43 PM

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                                    Virtualize this machine... it will be easier... You are speaking of JET and ACCESS... :rolleyes:

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                                      We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

                                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                      My first thought was a shovel and gloves.... As you got sensible answers elsewhere

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                                      • J Jim Crafton

                                        We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

                                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                        I've been trying to migrate Access back-ended ASP systems since I started my current job 3 years ago. The Migration tool is all well and good, but I've found it easier to re-create them by hand, whilst simultaneously re-writing the front-end. Depends on how big the project is, obviously. As others have said, Access is evil. :mad:

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                                        • J Jim Crafton

                                          We have a small IIS web server that has an ASP (yes, gasp, it's nasty) website that uses as it's data source an access database (please stop laughing). It's an old machine and I'm trying to transfer the whole site to a newer machine that we just got. For the new machine, do I need to install MS Office to be able to read/write to the access db? The old machine has Office 2000, but *not* the Access component of Office. So I'm wondering if I need to even bother installing Office, or if it's needed because of the ODBC drivers? //edit PS: Thanks to everyone for being so helpful on this!

                                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                          I think the SQL upgrade wizard thing should be helpful. If not, I wrote a tool called SchemaMaster that can copy the tables and data to MSSQL, MySQL, Excel, dBase, FoxPro, (PostGres and Oracle though not as well tested)... At the same time! LOL... I find Access isn't so evil - but for a web app - it's underpowered for sure. I think Access is actually pretty sweet... one of Microsoft's cool ones in my book. However, trying to upgrade all those forms and not always cooperative queries and things.. not to mention the vba code you might have is where things get dicey. I'd recommend Microsoft's SQL Server or MySQL as your next DB for that thing... MS SQL is the obvious choice if you're in a Microsoft "Shop" and IIS and ASP or .Net is the direction you need to go.

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