Burn Quran Day
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As a child my parents would bring me to church and try to make me religious, but then I read books that were not written by bronze age goat herders. I realised that the bible, and all religious texts, were providing answers for ignorance. But today we know the answers, there is no god of rainbows, there is no creationism, it is all bunkum and people who need the crutch of religion do so because they have been brainwashed by their parents. Teaching children religion is abuse. I saw the light, and it was science and maths, reason and argument, debate and reality, not bollocks and bells and smells, not ancient scripture written before refrigerators and computers, not hokum designed to create power and wealth for the elite.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
You know that there is no intelligent design? I doubt you do, in fact I know you don't. You know a bit about the laws of the universe, an infinitesimal fraction of it. I don't think it is even possible for the human mind to understand the universe.
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Hey, there's gotta be SOMETHING in there worth reading, if it's been this popular for over 2000 years. Sure, I'm not expecting Shakespeare or Chaucer by any stretch, but I figure it has to at least have a little character development, right?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Perhaps one day you will understand what religion is about. It isn't about fairytales and myths.
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WRONG! Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's any good. Look at any book by Dan Brown - they're popular but you wouldn't want to read one. Besides, who gives a toss about something that happened 2000 years ago in the desert? How does that relate to contemporary life? How do I reconcile what I read in the bible (or any religious tome) with real life now? It's risible, at best; my life so reflects what some ancient person who lived 25 years did in a tent in the desert. Only an insane lunatic would buy into such drivel. I could go on but that would be as boring as a Dan Brown novel. Or the bible.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
I swear you are retarded. You are blinded by hatred, you have denied yourself ever knowing what spirituality is about.
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I swear you are retarded. You are blinded by hatred, you have denied yourself ever knowing what spirituality is about.
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Perhaps one day you will understand what religion is about. It isn't about fairytales and myths.
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What a C#nt! There is no factual basis for religion except to aid the weak minded. Any defence of religion is an attack on logic and reason. Your turn cockboy
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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How about the Necronomicon Ex Mortis? Klaatu! Verata! Ni... uh... Necktie... Necktum... Nickel...
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You know that there is no intelligent design? I doubt you do, in fact I know you don't. You know a bit about the laws of the universe, an infinitesimal fraction of it. I don't think it is even possible for the human mind to understand the universe.
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Yes, we know there is no intelligent design. All proponents of ID spout infantile non-scientific rubbish dressed with personal attacks because they cannot beat the science. Biology, Evolution, Physics, Geography, Geology, Cosmology, Vulcanology, Chemistry etc etc etc, all point to a much older universe than the idiotic 6000 years of the fuckwitted twats that believe in it. The very fact we have Uranium on the planet proves this, it's half life is 4.5 Billion years to Thorium, and measure Uranium238/Thorium234 ratios gives the approximate age of the planet. Argue that Mr Thicky!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Perhaps one day you will understand what religion is about. It isn't about fairytales and myths.
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Let's have a look at the definition of Myth:
A myth is a symbolic narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form.
Now, maybe not all religion provide such a story, but many make the epic mistake of doing so anyway. Any such story can, due to their age, only be based on less factual knowledge than is available now, so they must be "less right" and therefore only serve to satisfy the curiosity of less-educated people. Unless of course we assume that they were true in the first place, so a God could be called in as authority. But since that's a circular argument, it's still invalid.
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WRONG! Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's any good. Look at any book by Dan Brown - they're popular but you wouldn't want to read one. Besides, who gives a toss about something that happened 2000 years ago in the desert? How does that relate to contemporary life? How do I reconcile what I read in the bible (or any religious tome) with real life now? It's risible, at best; my life so reflects what some ancient person who lived 25 years did in a tent in the desert. Only an insane lunatic would buy into such drivel. I could go on but that would be as boring as a Dan Brown novel. Or the bible.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Hey, I'm talking literary value... You know, kind of like Aesop's tales. Think of it as a Fantasy novel.
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Besides, who gives a toss about something that happened 2000 years ago in the desert? How does that relate to contemporary life? How do I reconcile what I read in the bible (or any religious tome) with real life now?
Who gives a toss about something that happened a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away? How does that relate to contemporary life? How do I reconcile the teachings of Jedi-ism with real life now? :) Wait, there actually is a Jedi "religion".... Ok, but I think they know it's all a joke... At least, I hope they do.
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Perhaps one day you will understand what religion is about. It isn't about fairytales and myths.
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Prove it.
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Prove it.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)He can't prove a thing, he lacks the necessary mental capabilites to even argue a point, which is why he descends to childish insults. Watch, cos he will!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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He can't prove a thing, he lacks the necessary mental capabilites to even argue a point, which is why he descends to childish insults. Watch, cos he will!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I know... But it's a boring day, and I need a laugh :)
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As a child my parents would bring me to church and try to make me religious, but then I read books that were not written by bronze age goat herders. I realised that the bible, and all religious texts, were providing answers for ignorance. But today we know the answers, there is no god of rainbows, there is no creationism, it is all bunkum and people who need the crutch of religion do so because they have been brainwashed by their parents. Teaching children religion is abuse. I saw the light, and it was science and maths, reason and argument, debate and reality, not bollocks and bells and smells, not ancient scripture written before refrigerators and computers, not hokum designed to create power and wealth for the elite.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Given some of the nutbags I've got quoted saying they'd just rape and pillage if not for god telling them not to I'm more than happy to let religion stick around. But let's note something, they tried to teach you it and it didn't stick. Unless they tried to beat you into it I fail to see where the abuse comes in. After the morons who named their child Adolf Hitler [insert forgoten last name here], my threshold for ideological child abuse hopped a few points. If that doesn't count, despite the likely polarizing effect of the name, I really fail to see how teaching your kid something is abuse. Unless we want to start counting Santa and the Toothfairy as abuse too. But that's the thing, while I'm so far unaware of any crusades in the name of the Toothfairy, I do hold religion at about the same level. Lying to a child will have it's blow back, but if someone really believed the toothfairy was real and would purge you of your sins(and first set of teeth) it's hardly fair to label it as abuse. They would consider anything less than what they do to be abuse, and they do, I can get you some quotes on that end of things too.
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You know that there is no intelligent design? I doubt you do, in fact I know you don't. You know a bit about the laws of the universe, an infinitesimal fraction of it. I don't think it is even possible for the human mind to understand the universe.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You know that there is no intelligent design?
As an engineer, whoever designed the human body needs to be shot. For the love of crap, if we fall from the standing position we can manage to kill ourselves. Who's idea was that? It's either a remarkable result of generations of weighted chance, or a really crappy design.
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Given some of the nutbags I've got quoted saying they'd just rape and pillage if not for god telling them not to I'm more than happy to let religion stick around. But let's note something, they tried to teach you it and it didn't stick. Unless they tried to beat you into it I fail to see where the abuse comes in. After the morons who named their child Adolf Hitler [insert forgoten last name here], my threshold for ideological child abuse hopped a few points. If that doesn't count, despite the likely polarizing effect of the name, I really fail to see how teaching your kid something is abuse. Unless we want to start counting Santa and the Toothfairy as abuse too. But that's the thing, while I'm so far unaware of any crusades in the name of the Toothfairy, I do hold religion at about the same level. Lying to a child will have it's blow back, but if someone really believed the toothfairy was real and would purge you of your sins(and first set of teeth) it's hardly fair to label it as abuse. They would consider anything less than what they do to be abuse, and they do, I can get you some quotes on that end of things too.
So the indoctrination of children is acceptable? These children then grow up and kill abortionists, blow up airplanes and start wars because they were corrupted into believing in sky pixies. These children also have a disability in real learning. Teach an indoctrinated child about physics and evolution and they cannot take it, so they grow up in a world that is not filled with the wonder of science. May as well teach them to deliver pizzas as that is the level of non scientific education.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Hey, there's gotta be SOMETHING in there worth reading, if it's been this popular for over 2000 years. Sure, I'm not expecting Shakespeare or Chaucer by any stretch, but I figure it has to at least have a little character development, right?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)There is a small bit, and I'm fairly sure you can find it all in the Jefferson bible. Having read the thing I can say bronze age goat herders are not the greatest story tellers in history. Edit: Some of the Gnostic stories were interesting though, that whole Gospel of Judas thing being remarkably amusing.
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So the indoctrination of children is acceptable? These children then grow up and kill abortionists, blow up airplanes and start wars because they were corrupted into believing in sky pixies. These children also have a disability in real learning. Teach an indoctrinated child about physics and evolution and they cannot take it, so they grow up in a world that is not filled with the wonder of science. May as well teach them to deliver pizzas as that is the level of non scientific education.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
So the indoctrination of children is acceptable?
I'd put it more along the lines of inevitable. Unless we're going to start tossing them into tanks until they're 18 someone's indoctrinating them with their ideas.
Dalek Dave wrote:
These children then grow up and kill abortionists, blow up airplanes and start wars because they were corrupted into believing in sky pixies. These children also have a disability in real learning. Teach an indoctrinated child about physics and evolution and they cannot take it, so they grow up in a world that is not filled with the wonder of science.
And some develop normally, or even exceptionally in the modern world by simply noting their mythological beliefs are not the entirety of the world. By some I mean most.
Dalek Dave wrote:
May as well teach them to deliver pizzas as that is the level of non scientific education.
There's always going to be someone like CSS in the world, I'd rather keep them ranting about how an invisible sky fairy is going to punish us all than have them pass chemistry. You do know that there are perfectly intelligent individuals behind many of the suicide attacks, they find a fanatic that they can use for their own goals, often political, and point them in the direction with a bomb strapped to them. It's not religion, it's the same old bullshit in the same old package. Without religion they'd just be using nihilists who want to take someone with them.
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What a C#nt! There is no factual basis for religion except to aid the weak minded. Any defence of religion is an attack on logic and reason. Your turn cockboy
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
As I said, religion is not about myths are fairytale. It is about spirituality! If you are not spiritually awakened, you are not alive.
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Prove it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I hereby declare it proven.
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Let's have a look at the definition of Myth:
A myth is a symbolic narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form.
Now, maybe not all religion provide such a story, but many make the epic mistake of doing so anyway. Any such story can, due to their age, only be based on less factual knowledge than is available now, so they must be "less right" and therefore only serve to satisfy the curiosity of less-educated people. Unless of course we assume that they were true in the first place, so a God could be called in as authority. But since that's a circular argument, it's still invalid.
Religion is about spirituality, not about hiding from science.
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