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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
Braulio Díez wrote: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ??? The mono project.[^] As for your other questions... I do VB so I wouldn't know ;P
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote:
Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson -
Braulio Díez wrote: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ??? The mono project.[^] As for your other questions... I do VB so I wouldn't know ;P
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote:
Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul WatsonFor the System.Windows.Forms.* they use the WINE WIN32 emulator [^]instead of native code (said it's too hard). I am afraid to hear more bad news about this project in the future.
Back to real work : D-22.
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For the System.Windows.Forms.* they use the WINE WIN32 emulator [^]instead of native code (said it's too hard). I am afraid to hear more bad news about this project in the future.
Back to real work : D-22.
.S.Rod. wrote: I am afraid to hear more bad news about this project in the future. Agreed. But at least they are trying and something will be better than nothing.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote:
Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson -
.S.Rod. wrote: I am afraid to hear more bad news about this project in the future. Agreed. But at least they are trying and something will be better than nothing.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote:
Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watsonas a MS faire-valoir only, sadly.
Back to real work : D-22.
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For the System.Windows.Forms.* they use the WINE WIN32 emulator [^]instead of native code (said it's too hard). I am afraid to hear more bad news about this project in the future.
Back to real work : D-22.
:laugh: To be fair, it's one of the most intersting open source projects I'm aware of. I saw a screenshot of mono's implementation of ADO.NET accessing MS SQL Server 2000 on XP. I thought that was impressive :-) ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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For the System.Windows.Forms.* they use the WINE WIN32 emulator [^]instead of native code (said it's too hard). I am afraid to hear more bad news about this project in the future.
Back to real work : D-22.
.S.Rod. wrote: the WINE WIN32 emulator Wine Is Not an Emulator They're quite good at behaving like a native Win32 API and you'd gain nothing going native, because WINE has a neglictible overhead. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik
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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
Braulio Díez wrote: I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... The IDE you have heard of is KDevelop. I have not used it myself, but I hear its quite good, but nowhere near VS. If you develop for KDE, then you are most likely creating windowed apps with QT, so you will need the QTlibs installed on any environment your programs needs to run in. In my experience there is never any guarantees that a compiled application will run outside the environment it's been compiled for, when you are dealing with linux. --- -"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when open."
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Braulio Díez wrote: I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... The IDE you have heard of is KDevelop. I have not used it myself, but I hear its quite good, but nowhere near VS. If you develop for KDE, then you are most likely creating windowed apps with QT, so you will need the QTlibs installed on any environment your programs needs to run in. In my experience there is never any guarantees that a compiled application will run outside the environment it's been compiled for, when you are dealing with linux. --- -"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when open."
good old MOTIF, that the way to go I think. It might look pretty bad but as far as I know as long as you have X-Windows, you can run the apps. There is a freebie version of MOTIF out somewhere, I used to have to use it at university, one whole year of it. excuse the bad grammar, birthday today and quite drunk already :D
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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
KDE progrms will run on other desktop environments if the necessary libraries are available. If you write your program using the Qt library, it can be ported to Windows and Mac systems. Or you can develop your Qt program on Windows with Visual Studio IDE and then recompile it on Linux.
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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
QT or GTK for window libraries, KDevelop for the IDE Mono or dotgnu for .net type thing. B.
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.S.Rod. wrote: the WINE WIN32 emulator Wine Is Not an Emulator They're quite good at behaving like a native Win32 API and you'd gain nothing going native, because WINE has a neglictible overhead. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik
I've seen screenshots of WINE running IE and IE updating itself via MS Windows Update. Clever stuff - often goes wrong on Windows :) Davy Weblog, Ramblings and more... www.latedecember.com
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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
_Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux...
I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and..._
I learned C++ on Linux and Solaris. Only in the last couple of years have I been using MSVC. Although I have grown to like MSVC, I do not consider it a good replacement for a solid shell environment (on *NIX).
Let me clear one thing up, the Linux windowing environment (the X Windows System) is not tied to the operating system. In fact, I currently develop my programs on Linux and re-compile them on Solaris without changing any code (so long as I have a KDE development environment running on Solaris). You can run programs developed in Kdevelop in any X Windows environment on the same platform. I run such programs in Solaris' CDE environment.
Kdevelop is not as advanced as MSVC. It is getting there, and is probably the best available for now. Some other contenders to watch for:
KDEStudio Gold (http://www.thekompany.com)
Is similar to Kdevelop but is a commercial product with better "intellisense-like" behaviour than Kdevelop's.Anjuta (http://www.anjuta.org)
Is Gnome-based. Good product but still no stable release.Kylix 3
This is Borland's free C++ Builder and Delphi for Linux. What is nice about these IDE's is that they produce project files and code that can be immediately used with the Windows versions of their products without modification. Excellent cross-platform product.Mono for Linux (http://www.go-mono.org) is still under heavy development. There are no Visual Studio .Net - like IDE's for this, but Microsoft's own products are said to work with it.
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KDE progrms will run on other desktop environments if the necessary libraries are available. If you write your program using the Qt library, it can be ported to Windows and Mac systems. Or you can develop your Qt program on Windows with Visual Studio IDE and then recompile it on Linux.
Thanks, Where can I find a good quickstart tutorial about that ? Thanks, greetings Braulio
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QT or GTK for window libraries, KDevelop for the IDE Mono or dotgnu for .net type thing. B.
Thanks, any good link to a quick start tutorial ? Thanks greetings Braulio
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_Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux...
I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and..._
I learned C++ on Linux and Solaris. Only in the last couple of years have I been using MSVC. Although I have grown to like MSVC, I do not consider it a good replacement for a solid shell environment (on *NIX).
Let me clear one thing up, the Linux windowing environment (the X Windows System) is not tied to the operating system. In fact, I currently develop my programs on Linux and re-compile them on Solaris without changing any code (so long as I have a KDE development environment running on Solaris). You can run programs developed in Kdevelop in any X Windows environment on the same platform. I run such programs in Solaris' CDE environment.
Kdevelop is not as advanced as MSVC. It is getting there, and is probably the best available for now. Some other contenders to watch for:
KDEStudio Gold (http://www.thekompany.com)
Is similar to Kdevelop but is a commercial product with better "intellisense-like" behaviour than Kdevelop's.Anjuta (http://www.anjuta.org)
Is Gnome-based. Good product but still no stable release.Kylix 3
This is Borland's free C++ Builder and Delphi for Linux. What is nice about these IDE's is that they produce project files and code that can be immediately used with the Windows versions of their products without modification. Excellent cross-platform product.Mono for Linux (http://www.go-mono.org) is still under heavy development. There are no Visual Studio .Net - like IDE's for this, but Microsoft's own products are said to work with it.
Thanks for the info ! So KDevelop now is the point to start ( or that Kylix then is really free ??? cool !). Do you know where can I find a quick start tutorial for KDevelop and Qt? programming. Thanks Braulio
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Thanks, any good link to a quick start tutorial ? Thanks greetings Braulio
Try http://www.gtk.org/[^] - there is a tutorial section. I don't think there's much for mono and the like, but then, it's .net, so why not look here :) B.
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Thanks, Where can I find a good quickstart tutorial about that ? Thanks, greetings Braulio
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Thanks for the info ! So KDevelop now is the point to start ( or that Kylix then is really free ??? cool !). Do you know where can I find a quick start tutorial for KDevelop and Qt? programming. Thanks Braulio
http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/[^] There are some licensing issues with Qt. I think there are some tutorials at that website, otherwise google will help. ;) B.
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Hi, Where to start with Linux programming, I would like to so something windowed (like the apps and that stuff that we can do with Visual Studio), but... no idea what's going on now on Linux... I've heard that there is an IDE quite similar to Visual Studio IDE, but I've heard as well, that if you program a thing for KDE, then may it won't work for another linux windows environment and... :-( Well... can you tell me some point to start ?, Thanks Braulio Ps.: I've heard as well that some people is making the .net stuff for linux ???
Consider using wxWindows. wxWindows is a portable C++ GUI framework which you can use on Windows, Linux, Mac, ... You can develop your program in Visual Studio and port the code to another platform, build it and run it. wxWindows classes are similar to MFC classes, so it's easy to get started.