Jailbreaking iPhone legal in the USA!
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Would be nicer if they prevented Apple from stopping people (such as by a warranty voiding policy) from jailbreaking iPhones. Probably wouldn't be fair to Apple, but it would be nice. As it stands, this news doesn't really change much... aside from feeling a bit safer in jailbreaking the iPhone (i.e., you might lose out on your warranty, but you at least won't go to jail).
aspdotnetdev wrote:
but you at least won't go to jail
I'm sure a lot of people are waiting to make that jailbreaking legal too :-D
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
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David Kentley wrote:
Also, anything that chips away at the idiocy of the DMCA is a good thing.
Yeeeaaaahhh. Well, maybe once you've experienced having your original copyrighted material stolen and used to generate income for some sleazebag, you might change your tune on this. :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
Yeeeaaaahhh. Well, maybe once you've experienced having your original copyrighted material stolen and used to generate income for some sleazebag, you might change your tune on this.
Yeah, thanks for assuming I'm pro-piracy. I buy all of my music, movies and software. I write software for a living, and have designed and implemented copy protection measures myself. The DMCA gives private interest groups far too much power to intimidate and bully websites. The RIAA and MPAA are two of the more clueless organizations on the planet. If I break the encryption on something I own, for my own purposes, you better believe I think I should have a right to do so. It was already illegal to pirate copyrighted works, we didn't need the DMCA to tell us so. It made it ILLEGAL to jailbreak an iPhone, for FSM's sake. How is that sane?
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Yeeeaaaahhh. Well, maybe once you've experienced having your original copyrighted material stolen and used to generate income for some sleazebag, you might change your tune on this.
Yeah, thanks for assuming I'm pro-piracy. I buy all of my music, movies and software. I write software for a living, and have designed and implemented copy protection measures myself. The DMCA gives private interest groups far too much power to intimidate and bully websites. The RIAA and MPAA are two of the more clueless organizations on the planet. If I break the encryption on something I own, for my own purposes, you better believe I think I should have a right to do so. It was already illegal to pirate copyrighted works, we didn't need the DMCA to tell us so. It made it ILLEGAL to jailbreak an iPhone, for FSM's sake. How is that sane?
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
David Kentley wrote:
Yeah, thanks for assuming I'm pro-piracy. I buy all of my music, movies and software. I write software for a living, and have designed and implemented copy protection measures myself.
Well, bully for you. Now why don't you explain where I said you were 'pro-piracy'.
David Kentley wrote:
The DMCA gives private interest groups far too much power to intimidate and bully websites. The RIAA and MPAA are two of the more clueless organizations on the planet. If I break the encryption on something I own, for my own purposes, you better believe I think I should have a right to do so. It was already illegal to pirate copyrighted works, we didn't need the DMCA to tell us so.
Yes, and the DMCA gives independent developers the ability to shut down sites pirating their works; it provides a means to enforce existing copyright law and clarifies it's applicability to new publishing technologies.
David Kentley wrote:
It made it ILLEGAL to jailbreak an iPhone, for FSM's sake. How is that sane?
It was just used to make it LEGAL to jailbreak a phone, over the wishes of a manufacturer. Why don't you reserve your outrage for reality? :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Would be nicer if they prevented Apple from stopping people (such as by a warranty voiding policy) from jailbreaking iPhones. Probably wouldn't be fair to Apple, but it would be nice. As it stands, this news doesn't really change much... aside from feeling a bit safer in jailbreaking the iPhone (i.e., you might lose out on your warranty, but you at least won't go to jail).
Warranty's for an year right? Jail Break it after 12 months then. Should be all okay then.
Regards, Nish
Blog: blog.voidnish.com Most recent article: An MVVM friendly approach to adding system menu entries in a WPF application
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.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Indeed, Mr Minute actually pointed this out in a previous post on this thread. Nevertheless, that is quite an interesting news.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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David Kentley wrote:
Also, anything that chips away at the idiocy of the DMCA is a good thing.
Yeeeaaaahhh. Well, maybe once you've experienced having your original copyrighted material stolen and used to generate income for some sleazebag, you might change your tune on this. :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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David Kentley wrote:
Yeah, thanks for assuming I'm pro-piracy. I buy all of my music, movies and software. I write software for a living, and have designed and implemented copy protection measures myself.
Well, bully for you. Now why don't you explain where I said you were 'pro-piracy'.
David Kentley wrote:
The DMCA gives private interest groups far too much power to intimidate and bully websites. The RIAA and MPAA are two of the more clueless organizations on the planet. If I break the encryption on something I own, for my own purposes, you better believe I think I should have a right to do so. It was already illegal to pirate copyrighted works, we didn't need the DMCA to tell us so.
Yes, and the DMCA gives independent developers the ability to shut down sites pirating their works; it provides a means to enforce existing copyright law and clarifies it's applicability to new publishing technologies.
David Kentley wrote:
It made it ILLEGAL to jailbreak an iPhone, for FSM's sake. How is that sane?
It was just used to make it LEGAL to jailbreak a phone, over the wishes of a manufacturer. Why don't you reserve your outrage for reality? :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
Well, bully for you. Now why don't you explain where I said you were 'pro-piracy'.
When you acted like I would change my mind if I had been victimized by piracy. Which I have been, by the way.
LunaticFringe wrote:
Yes, and the DMCA gives independent developers the ability to shut down sites pirating their works; it provides a means to enforce existing copyright law and clarifies it's applicability to new publishing technologies.
This was ALREADY illegal. This just allows organizations to circumvent due process; I didn't see too many websites openly hosting pirated software before the DMCA. They got shut down as it was. It does nothing to stop piracy, it has always been illegal.
LunaticFringe wrote:
It was just used to make it LEGAL to jailbreak a phone, over the wishes of a manufacturer. Why don't you reserve your outrage for reality?
Sigh. An exemption to the DMCA made it legal. The DMCA is what made it illegal in the first place.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
LunaticFringe wrote:
Well, bully for you. Now why don't you explain where I said you were 'pro-piracy'.
When you acted like I would change my mind if I had been victimized by piracy. Which I have been, by the way.
LunaticFringe wrote:
Yes, and the DMCA gives independent developers the ability to shut down sites pirating their works; it provides a means to enforce existing copyright law and clarifies it's applicability to new publishing technologies.
This was ALREADY illegal. This just allows organizations to circumvent due process; I didn't see too many websites openly hosting pirated software before the DMCA. They got shut down as it was. It does nothing to stop piracy, it has always been illegal.
LunaticFringe wrote:
It was just used to make it LEGAL to jailbreak a phone, over the wishes of a manufacturer. Why don't you reserve your outrage for reality?
Sigh. An exemption to the DMCA made it legal. The DMCA is what made it illegal in the first place.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
David Kentley wrote:
When you acted like I would change my mind if I had been victimized by piracy. Which I have been, by the way.
That's quite a leap, but it does seem to typify the integrity of your deductions.
David Kentley wrote:
This was ALREADY illegal. This just allows organizations to circumvent due process; I didn't see too many websites openly hosting pirated software before the DMCA. They got shut down as it was.
Oh? Did you ever try and get a site pirating your material shut down without invoking the DMCA?
David Kentley wrote:
Sigh. An exemption to the DMCA made it legal. The DMCA is what made it illegal in the first place.
And that's the way regulatory law works; it evolves as the target of it's regulation evolves. I suppose you would have preferred if the authors had consulted with you and your favorite seer before setting pen to paper, so they could accomodate every possible future development before it occurs.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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aspdotnetdev wrote:
but you at least won't go to jail
I'm sure a lot of people are waiting to make that jailbreaking legal too :-D
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
<hears a faint sound coming from the people behind bars > Huuuurrrrraaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yusuf May I help you?
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David Kentley wrote:
Also, anything that chips away at the idiocy of the DMCA is a good thing.
Yeeeaaaahhh. Well, maybe once you've experienced having your original copyrighted material stolen and used to generate income for some sleazebag, you might change your tune on this. :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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David Kentley wrote:
When you acted like I would change my mind if I had been victimized by piracy. Which I have been, by the way.
That's quite a leap, but it does seem to typify the integrity of your deductions.
David Kentley wrote:
This was ALREADY illegal. This just allows organizations to circumvent due process; I didn't see too many websites openly hosting pirated software before the DMCA. They got shut down as it was.
Oh? Did you ever try and get a site pirating your material shut down without invoking the DMCA?
David Kentley wrote:
Sigh. An exemption to the DMCA made it legal. The DMCA is what made it illegal in the first place.
And that's the way regulatory law works; it evolves as the target of it's regulation evolves. I suppose you would have preferred if the authors had consulted with you and your favorite seer before setting pen to paper, so they could accomodate every possible future development before it occurs.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
That's quite a leap, but it does seem to typify the integrity of your deductions.
Bullshit, I reached the same conclusion as David when I read your original response. How else in your mind should your response be interpreted?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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LunaticFringe wrote:
That's quite a leap, but it does seem to typify the integrity of your deductions.
Bullshit, I reached the same conclusion as David when I read your original response. How else in your mind should your response be interpreted?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
bullsh*t, I reached the same conclusion as David when I read your original response. How else in your mind should your response be interpreted?
The topic of discussion was the DMCA. I never used the word piracy in my initial response. The topic was the DMCA. If you choose to read something of your own imagining into what I wrote, that's your affair. [edit] Or are you saying that it's impossible to be both against the DMCA and against piracy? Do you equate the two so closely that you can't treat them separately; if you're against the DMCA, you are by definition pro piracy? All I did was defend the DMCA, and you two take umbrage claiming to have been accused of supporting piracy. I never made that accusation; I just spoke in support of the DMCA. So what's your problem? [/edit]
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
modified on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:10 PM
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I mean no offence to yourself, even though this is a repost of sorts (you have a different link), but if I read this story one more time I think I will scream. It's everywhere. Earlier today I plugged my mobile (not an iPhone) in for a recharge and instead of the normal 'Charging' message I got 'Jailbreaking iPhone OK'. Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrgggghhhhh!!
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'
That's because the story isn't about Apple, but the first serious limitation of the DMCA. Which, I'd say, about time. It's been abused for things it's ridiculous, it's not even funny.
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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That's because the story isn't about Apple, but the first serious limitation of the DMCA. Which, I'd say, about time. It's been abused for things it's ridiculous, it's not even funny.
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.peterchen wrote:
That's because the story isn't about Apple, but the first serious limitation of the DMCA.
I'd have thought that the first limitation was when Sony was told that rootkitting all their customers' computers fell outside the realm of copyright protection.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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peterchen wrote:
That's because the story isn't about Apple, but the first serious limitation of the DMCA.
I'd have thought that the first limitation was when Sony was told that rootkitting all their customers' computers fell outside the realm of copyright protection.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Warranty's for an year right? Jail Break it after 12 months then. Should be all okay then.
Regards, Nish
Blog: blog.voidnish.com Most recent article: An MVVM friendly approach to adding system menu entries in a WPF application
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David Kentley wrote:
Also, anything that chips away at the idiocy of the DMCA is a good thing.
Yeeeaaaahhh. Well, maybe once you've experienced having your original copyrighted material stolen and used to generate income for some sleazebag, you might change your tune on this. :rolleyes:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
(1) It's technically bogus. You could write "Boo!" on a CD and claim this is your copy protection. (2) It's abused way beyond copyright. (3) Sleazebags tend to have moar lawyers
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server. -
That's because the story isn't about Apple, but the first serious limitation of the DMCA. Which, I'd say, about time. It's been abused for things it's ridiculous, it's not even funny.
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.I am able to see the wider implications, it's just that, in the wider scheme of things, it's not such an important event that you trip over it wherever you move around the web.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'
