FYI, information on GISS, NOAA, CRUT station coverage
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fat_boy wrote:
You havent been around that long have you?
So you can't answer the question or are unwilling to? Got it.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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fat_boy wrote:
Even Ian who claims to be open minded didnt bother reading it.
Because you're posting the same crap over and over and over and over and over again. It's annoying, monotonous, and exactly the same as CSS's repetitive ranting. The only difference between you and CSS, is that you at least pretend to understand the subject, while he can't seem to rise out of his drug-induced stupor. You want a sensible viewpoint? Here's one[^] I found... It's a bit old, but I think it still makes sense, and I mostly agree with what it says. Things are constantly changing. Humanity IS influencing it, and not just through CO2 (Which you seem to have a fetish for). How much and in what way is not yet known, because the problem is too complex for a simple answer, so we need to act responsibly and be prepared.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)If man made GW was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, do you honestly think people would believe it? Most people in the US for example don't believe in evolution regardless of the scientific proof. Kansas banned it in the school systems from being taught.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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And then you have the degradation of science. These tools should be strung up for what they have dont to it!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
These tools
What "tools?" Exactly which groups have pissed you off to such a degree that you want to cut all funding for the entire discipline? Oh hey, some astronomer made an incorrect prediction of whether we'd be wiped out by an asteroid last year, so we better cut ALL funding for astronomy, right? Uh oh! A cancer drug didn't work, so we better get rid of all cancer research too! That's the kind of reasoning you're following here. The PDF I linked isn't asking for more funding for AGW groups. They're suggesting continued funding of climatology in general. So enough with this straw man[^] crap. This is supposed to be a logical discussion among geeks, not a public service announcement.
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fat_boy wrote:
These tools
What "tools?" Exactly which groups have pissed you off to such a degree that you want to cut all funding for the entire discipline? Oh hey, some astronomer made an incorrect prediction of whether we'd be wiped out by an asteroid last year, so we better cut ALL funding for astronomy, right? Uh oh! A cancer drug didn't work, so we better get rid of all cancer research too! That's the kind of reasoning you're following here. The PDF I linked isn't asking for more funding for AGW groups. They're suggesting continued funding of climatology in general. So enough with this straw man[^] crap. This is supposed to be a logical discussion among geeks, not a public service announcement.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Oh hey, some astronomer made an incorrect prediction of whether we'd be wiped out by an asteroid last year, so we better cut ALL funding for astronomy, right?
"Let's go burn down the observatory so this will never happen again." - Moe Szyslak in "Bart's Comet"
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fat_boy wrote:
These tools
What "tools?" Exactly which groups have pissed you off to such a degree that you want to cut all funding for the entire discipline? Oh hey, some astronomer made an incorrect prediction of whether we'd be wiped out by an asteroid last year, so we better cut ALL funding for astronomy, right? Uh oh! A cancer drug didn't work, so we better get rid of all cancer research too! That's the kind of reasoning you're following here. The PDF I linked isn't asking for more funding for AGW groups. They're suggesting continued funding of climatology in general. So enough with this straw man[^] crap. This is supposed to be a logical discussion among geeks, not a public service announcement.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/surfacetempreview.pdf[^]
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
cut all funding
You mistake your imagination for reality.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
geek
speak for yourself. ;P
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Now you're just dodging the issue. I said that they were advocating continued funding of climate research, not AGW studies. You repeated part of your prior post, saying, "...matters that are more pressing." The only way I can think of to interpret that is that you think the money should be spent elsewhere INSTEAD of the aforementioned climate research (Again, we're not talking about AGW studies). I replied that the money doesn't have to all go to one place, and can be split between various groups. And you responded: "And then you have the degradation of science. These tools should be strung up for what they have dont to it!" So what else is that supposed to mean? You're saying that giving climate research any funding at all is going to degrade science? What point are you trying to make here?
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I for one would have read it if it had shown evidence of brain eating zombies. Fortuanetly your excellent reviewing skills saved me the trouble. Shame that. It is definetly time people took brain eating zombies seriously.
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And you assume you can speak for others do you? If its so dull then just ignore it.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
And you assume you can speak for others do you?
Where did I make that claim?
It's time for a new signature.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Where did I make that claim?
When you stated a personal opinion and then suggest that I stop posting as if that opinion was held by everyone, which it isnt. So for thse who dont think its boring I shall continue posting and you can just ignore my posts instead of commenting. Then we'll both be happy. :)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Where did I make that claim?
When you stated a personal opinion and then suggest that I stop posting as if that opinion was held by everyone, which it isnt. So for thse who dont think its boring I shall continue posting and you can just ignore my posts instead of commenting. Then we'll both be happy. :)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Your mission is dull and monotonous, and completely devoid of brain-eating zombies. I award it no points.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Your mission is dull and monotonous
So if your goverment puts a one dollar tax per gallon gas to reduce your CO2 footprint, you will still find it "dull and monotonous".
What does that have to do with anything? If you want to join the discussion, try at least reading the posts.
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What does that have to do with anything? If you want to join the discussion, try at least reading the posts.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
What does that have to do with anything?
The AGW / CO2 discussion in itself is boring. But how my tax money is spent is not. Therefore I find it very relevant to take part. And I support fat_boy in his effort to bring forward information about the subject.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
What does that have to do with anything?
The AGW / CO2 discussion in itself is boring. But how my tax money is spent is not. Therefore I find it very relevant to take part. And I support fat_boy in his effort to bring forward information about the subject.
The "boring mission" comment was about how he keeps changing everything to CO2/temperature... Seriously, read more than just the last post.
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http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/surfacetempreview.pdf[^]
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I always leave it to Economists to tell me how best to monitor climactic weather patterns. Those degrees in economics really help them understand the intricacies of climactic weather systems.
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I always leave it to Economists to tell me how best to monitor climactic weather patterns. Those degrees in economics really help them understand the intricacies of climactic weather systems.
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I always leave it to Economists to tell me how best to monitor climactic weather patterns. Those degrees in economics really help them understand the intricacies of climactic weather systems.
William Winner wrote:
Those degrees in economics really help them understand the intricacies of climactic weather systems.
Bit snarky, aren't we? Surely McKitrick's work since obtaining his degrees* allows him to draw attention to the provenance and processing of a data bank that is being used as the basis for future economic policy? Nothing to do with the intricacies of weather systems, climactic [?] or otherwise. * His area of specialization is environmental economics and policy analysis. His research areas include modeling the relationship between economic growth and pollution emissions; regulatory mechanism design; and various aspects of the science and policy of global warming. His economics research has appeared in such journals as The Journal of Environmental Economics and Management, Economic Modeling, The Canadian Journal of Economics, Empirical Economics, The Energy Journal, and Environmental and Resource Economics. His physical science research has appeared in journals such as Journal of Geophysical Research, Geophysical Research Letters, Climate Research, The Journal of Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics, and Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Professor McKitrick has made invited academic presentations in Canada, the US and Europe, and he has testified before the US Congress and the Canadian Parliamentary Finance and Environment Committees. In 2006 he was one of 12 experts from around the world asked to brief a panel of the US National Academy of Sciences on paleoclimate reconstruction methodology.
Bob Emmett Which? Race - Your monthly guide to genocide. Published by the New World Order Press.
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I always leave it to Economists to tell me how best to monitor climactic weather patterns. Those degrees in economics really help them understand the intricacies of climactic weather systems.
Just caught up with the Coastwatch saga[^]. Coastwatch apologises: NOTICE: Due to degradation of a satellite sensor used by this mapping product, some images have exhibited extreme high and low surface temperatures. Please disregard these images as anomalies. Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor will be/have been removed from the image archive. All well and good, but why were the anomalies allowed to appear? Coastwatch is completely automated so you can see how something like this could slip through. Chuck Pistis Program Coordinator Er, no Chuck, I can't. Data processing lesson #1 - GIGO, circa 1956 Was it possible for this data to 'slip through' into the the data bank that is being used as the basis for future economic policy. I would doubt it, but ... ? Hence my support of those from other disciplines questioning the provenance and processing of data.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
