Go back to your tin-pot Mussolini-constructed principality, and don't come back!
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I shall not downvote, but answer. His attitude to birth control and the protection of prophylactics condems millions to disease and poverty. If that is not a crime against humanity then it bloody well ought to be. The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things. So yes, Parents, but at the insistance of this criminal organisation. I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying? I do not want him here, I do not wish to pay, but sadly I cannot withhold my tax. Therefore money is being Stolen from the State to pay for the Godfather of the Religious Mafia. I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
Dave - rape and subjugation of women is widespread. Does that mean that all men should be tarred with the same brush? Of course it doesn't. Does it mean that the Catholic Church shouldn't hang it's head in shame for the breach of trust that it is guilty of? Of course it doesn't. Does that mean that all priests are kiddy-fiddlers? Of course it doesn't. Try and bring the argument down to a none-hyperbolic level please.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying?
And when the US president visited, why did those who disagreed with his stance in Iraq pay? Because it's customary to foot the bill of a visit from a head of state - and whether you or I like it or not, the Pope is the head of a state.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things.
I've never been visited by a priest. Perhaps they are more militant in Luton.
Dalek Dave wrote:
as an atheist, why am I paying
And there's the rub - atheists do tend to be as bad at shouting out. It's the religion of anti-religion, and adherents tend to be as vocal as adherents of any religion.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
Dave - rape and subjugation of women is widespread. Does that mean that all men should be tarred with the same brush? Of course it doesn't. Does it mean that the Catholic Church shouldn't hang it's head in shame for the breach of trust that it is guilty of? Of course it doesn't. Does that mean that all priests are kiddy-fiddlers? Of course it doesn't. Try and bring the argument down to a none-hyperbolic level please.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying?
And when the US president visited, why did those who disagreed with his stance in Iraq pay? Because it's customary to foot the bill of a visit from a head of state - and whether you or I like it or not, the Pope is the head of a state.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things.
I've never been visited by a priest. Perhaps they are more militant in Luton.
Dalek Dave wrote:
as an atheist, why am I paying
And there's the rub - atheists do tend to be as bad at shouting out. It's the religion of anti-religion, and adherents tend to be as vocal as adherents of any religion.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's the religion
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's the religion
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
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...and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth Oh, please, leave that out. If there is one thing we can all be grateful for, then it's not having to live under some oppressive dictatorship. Considering the consequences, most of us would not be martyrs or go into the underground and bravely resist. Most would simply try to stay out of harm's way and play along, no matter what they really think. And what if you had grown up under such conditions and known nothing else?
A while ago he asked me what he should have printed on my business cards. I said 'Wizard'. I read books which nobody else understand. Then I do something which nobody understands. After that the computer does something which nobody understands. When asked, I say things about the results which nobody understand. But everybody expects miracles from me on a regular basis. Looks to me like the classical definition of a wizard.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's the religion
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's the religion
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
viaducting wrote:
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
That's a good point. It also means that the word "Atheism" or "Atheist" shouldn't even exist.
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(Richard Dawkins' message to the pope) Go Dawkers!
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I actually object to the term 'atheist', as it would appear to be predicated on there being a god in whom not to believe. I far prefer to be considered a normal, rational, non-superstitious person.
Well said.
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viaducting wrote:
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
So why are atheists making so much noise about it all the time?
It's time for a new signature.
Because they can think of better things to spend millions of pounds on than the leader of a vastly wealthy religion who has helped paedophiles escape justice?
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Tch! Godwins Law!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
I'm sure Godwin's law applies when you compare people to the Nazis. In DDs case he was merely pointing out that the pope WAS a Nazi (although I believe joining the Hitler youth was a legal requirement at the time). No matter though, we're talking about a guy who believes that paedophilia is acceptable but homosexuality is a sin.
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(Richard Dawkins' message to the pope) Go Dawkers!
Doesn't a principality have a Prince as head of state?
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viaducting wrote:
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
So why are atheists making so much noise about it all the time?
It's time for a new signature.
It does seem that a new branch of evangelical atheists have sprung into existence in the last few years. I ceased to believe in god 20 years ago but don't attempt to "convert" anyone who believes in a faith. I think a lot of non-believers get so fed up with people telling them that they should let christ into their lives etc that the reaction is to turn the thing into a conflict. Far easier to step away from the fight in my opinion.
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice
I was at a niece's first communion recently. It disgusted me. Forcing 7 year old kids to go through those rituals is just not right. Add to that the fact that during this brainwashing, the priest said something to the effect that if you don't go to mass you'll starve yourself (of gods blah blah blah). Way to go, threatening 7 year old kids with stavation!
Pete
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Because they can think of better things to spend millions of pounds on than the leader of a vastly wealthy religion who has helped paedophiles escape justice?
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It does seem that a new branch of evangelical atheists have sprung into existence in the last few years. I ceased to believe in god 20 years ago but don't attempt to "convert" anyone who believes in a faith. I think a lot of non-believers get so fed up with people telling them that they should let christ into their lives etc that the reaction is to turn the thing into a conflict. Far easier to step away from the fight in my opinion.
Russell Jones wrote:
I think a lot of non-believers get so fed up with people telling them that they should let christ into their lives etc that the reaction is to turn the thing into a conflict.
But it's a conflict of their own making. There is much less evangelical Christianity on our streets than the atheist bloc would have us believe. I have not been accosted in the street or my own home by anyone trying to convert me for a good few years at least, and even then it was a fairly rare occurrence.
It's time for a new signature.
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If there are loaves, there had better be fish. So his afternoon will consist of wine and tuna sandwiches.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
wine and tuna sandwiches
To quote Ramsey, "Dinner. Sorted!"
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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I'm sure Godwin's law applies when you compare people to the Nazis. In DDs case he was merely pointing out that the pope WAS a Nazi (although I believe joining the Hitler youth was a legal requirement at the time). No matter though, we're talking about a guy who believes that paedophilia is acceptable but homosexuality is a sin.
Godwin's law[^] "For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's law" It's from Wiki, so it must be right! :-D It's difficult to say at this remove if El Popo was sieg-hieling with gusto or embarrassment - only Catholics have to believe every word he says is true - but I don't think it is really relevant to this discussion. For what it's worth, if he wants to come here; isn't on a sex offenders or war criminals list himself; and we don't have to finance it at all, he is free to apply for a visa and come over for a few weeks. Bear in mind that the Vatican is a separate state, not a part of the EU (and while it is a theocracy can never be) and so he needs a visa or diplomatic credentials to enter the country legally. Unfortunately, we do have to finance it since it is a "state visit" on his diplomatic credentials. Bugger. It would have been fun to see him thrown out for working on a tourist visa...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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viaducting wrote:
Because they can think of better things to spend millions of pounds on
Strange that they never articulate that point.
It's time for a new signature.
"Never"? You have never, never, heard an atheist give an example of something they would rather see money spent on than the Pope's visit? Really? Edit - not my 1-vote. Have a balancing 5.
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"Never"? You have never, never, heard an atheist give an example of something they would rather see money spent on than the Pope's visit? Really? Edit - not my 1-vote. Have a balancing 5.
viaducting wrote:
You have never, never, heard an atheist give an example of something they would rather see money spent on than the Pope's visit? Really?
I was gonna say the same thing. (Personally I think religious types don't like to listen to the shouty atheists because it infringes on their beliefs, so the shutters come down)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's the religion
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
You missed the point I was making when I said the religion of anti-religion.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
