VB.NET v C#
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Madhu _Cheriyedath wrote: The only advantage I can see with VB.NET is better intellisense support in Visual Studio.NET VB.NET has better intellisense than C#? How so?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: How so? It's actually more annoying. If you write a line that the compiler doesn't think is correct, it underlines it with the blue squiggly...while you're coding. I think it's better to have it build first and then it shows you your mistakes (not that it ever shows me any...I never make errors:-D).
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Has anybody found any good web sites which can give a convincing argument as to which .NET language to switch to from VS6? I work with a large number of VB programmers and I think they will opt to go for VB.NET, whereas I prefer languages which use the semi-colon. I know that both C# and VB.NET both compile to the same CLR, but we will prohbably want all our code to be in the one language. Hence I would like to have a convincing argument as to which language we should adopt. Cheers
Well I tend to point out (and irritate) Visual BASIC code monkey by pointing out what BASIC stands for. I.e Beginners All Symbolic Instruction Code. (and no, diplomacy is not my strong point... :-D )
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Marc Clifton wrote: How do you do that cool red-to-black affect?!?!? He used VB... ;P Actually here is the code to do it, looks like something a VB programmer would produce:
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<font color='#440000'>n</font>* Relax Ryan! You ripped off VB programmers and opened yourself up, so am just poking fun at you :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Relax Ryan! You ripped off VB programmers and opened yourself up, so am just poking fun at you No problem Paul. I don't really hate VB programmers, but I do hate VB. I am currently taking a software engineering class where I am being forced to use VB, so I am just angry at the world right now. Ryan Johnston
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Let's not have religious wars here. Please? Yes sir. Sorry! (Hmmm. No smiley face. I'm in troooubbbbbllllllle!) :-D Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.;)
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VB.NET is, IMO, a little too messy. It tries to maintain backwards code compatibility while still being a .NET language. The original modifications were watered down by VB programmers who complained loudly and in a whiny, nasally voice. C#, on the other hand, was designed from the groud up specifically for .NET. It's clean, has no skeletons in the closet, uses efficient C style syntax and even allows you to dive into fun stuff like unsafe code and pointers. C# is the true .NET language. The others are upgrades. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: in a whiny, nasally voice You give those script-kiddies from Cape Town hell, don't you. Keep up the good work. ;) Cheers, Simon "From now on, if rogue states want to buy weapons of mass destruction, they're going to have to go on eBay," Mr. Bezos said.
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VB.NET is, IMO, a little too messy. It tries to maintain backwards code compatibility while still being a .NET language. The original modifications were watered down by VB programmers who complained loudly and in a whiny, nasally voice. C#, on the other hand, was designed from the groud up specifically for .NET. It's clean, has no skeletons in the closet, uses efficient C style syntax and even allows you to dive into fun stuff like unsafe code and pointers. C# is the true .NET language. The others are upgrades. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: VB.NET is, IMO, a little too messy. It tries to maintain backwards code compatibility while still being a .NET language. The original modifications were watered down by VB programmers who complained loudly and in a whiny, nasally voice. As a former C++ programmer who is using VB.NET but has very little prior VB experience, I don't find anything messy in VB. You can get used to the syntax quickly. Ok, VB was not object-oriented, but it is now. What more do you want? ;) Chris Maunder wrote: C#, on the other hand, was designed from the groud up specifically for .NET. It's clean, has no skeletons in the closet, , uses efficient C style syntax Somehow I find the IDE less responsive when using C#. Chris Maunder wrote: and even allows you to dive into fun stuff like unsafe code and pointers. Now, this is what I would call messy. ;P Chris Maunder wrote: C# is the true .NET language. The others are upgrades. If you ask Bill Gates, maybe he would say VB is the true .NET language, the rest are just simulations of VB. ;P ;P Seriously, I think the original poster should select VB.NET because most of his team are familiar with VB, why bother them with unimportant things such as semicolons?
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VB.NET is, IMO, a little too messy. It tries to maintain backwards code compatibility while still being a .NET language. The original modifications were watered down by VB programmers who complained loudly and in a whiny, nasally voice. C#, on the other hand, was designed from the groud up specifically for .NET. It's clean, has no skeletons in the closet, uses efficient C style syntax and even allows you to dive into fun stuff like unsafe code and pointers. C# is the true .NET language. The others are upgrades. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Well I tend to point out (and irritate) Visual BASIC code monkey by pointing out what BASIC stands for. I.e Beginners All Symbolic Instruction Code. (and no, diplomacy is not my strong point... :-D )
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Chris Maunder wrote: C# is the true .NET language. The others are upgrades. but C++ is the real true language and real software engineers know it.
exactly. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: VB.NET is, IMO, a little too messy. It tries to maintain backwards code compatibility while still being a .NET language. The original modifications were watered down by VB programmers who complained loudly and in a whiny, nasally voice. As a former C++ programmer who is using VB.NET but has very little prior VB experience, I don't find anything messy in VB. You can get used to the syntax quickly. Ok, VB was not object-oriented, but it is now. What more do you want? ;) Chris Maunder wrote: C#, on the other hand, was designed from the groud up specifically for .NET. It's clean, has no skeletons in the closet, , uses efficient C style syntax Somehow I find the IDE less responsive when using C#. Chris Maunder wrote: and even allows you to dive into fun stuff like unsafe code and pointers. Now, this is what I would call messy. ;P Chris Maunder wrote: C# is the true .NET language. The others are upgrades. If you ask Bill Gates, maybe he would say VB is the true .NET language, the rest are just simulations of VB. ;P ;P Seriously, I think the original poster should select VB.NET because most of his team are familiar with VB, why bother them with unimportant things such as semicolons?
Black Cat wrote: As a former C++ programmer who is using VB.NET but has very little prior VB experience, I don't find anything messy in VB. You can get used to the syntax quickly. Ok, VB was not object-oriented, but it is now. What more do you want? You never really came to grips with C++ then, VB = shite and a whole crock of the stuff, time to sit back and look at C#.
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Megan Forbes wrote: This one still rocks! It's always been good Megan Forbes wrote: I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages ROTFLMAO.. Brilliant. I missed that post!!! :laugh: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Brian Delahunty wrote: knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages ROTFLMAO.. Brilliant. I missed that post!!! Yep, it was a great start to today reading that :-D What a shame about the pigeon incident...
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
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Black Cat wrote: As a former C++ programmer who is using VB.NET but has very little prior VB experience, I don't find anything messy in VB. You can get used to the syntax quickly. Ok, VB was not object-oriented, but it is now. What more do you want? You never really came to grips with C++ then, VB = shite and a whole crock of the stuff, time to sit back and look at C#.
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exactly. cheers, Chris Maunder
Norm Almond wrote: but C++ is the real true language and real software engineers know it. Chris Maunder wrote: exactly. However, the "real" engineers fear being abandoned by Microsoft, learning C# is the only way to get back the confidence. The magic power of semicolon. ;P
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Has anybody found any good web sites which can give a convincing argument as to which .NET language to switch to from VS6? I work with a large number of VB programmers and I think they will opt to go for VB.NET, whereas I prefer languages which use the semi-colon. I know that both C# and VB.NET both compile to the same CLR, but we will prohbably want all our code to be in the one language. Hence I would like to have a convincing argument as to which language we should adopt. Cheers
It's really simple. VB.NET and C# are not that different in use, from what I've seen. So why does Microsoft have C#, if not to kill VB. No matter how long it lingers, C# is where Microsoft is focused, and so where you'll see the better stuff coming through. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Paul Watson wrote: Relax Ryan! You ripped off VB programmers and opened yourself up, so am just poking fun at you No problem Paul. I don't really hate VB programmers, but I do hate VB. I am currently taking a software engineering class where I am being forced to use VB, so I am just angry at the world right now. Ryan Johnston
hehehe. Some folks here did a .NET course and complained it was full of VB guys who couldn't understand why you'd need things like classes, inheritance and generics. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Paul Watson wrote: Relax Ryan! You ripped off VB programmers and opened yourself up, so am just poking fun at you No problem Paul. I don't really hate VB programmers, but I do hate VB. I am currently taking a software engineering class where I am being forced to use VB, so I am just angry at the world right now. Ryan Johnston
Ryan Johnston wrote: I am currently taking a software engineering class where I am being forced to use VB That just boggles my mind! Software engineering and VB just don't fit in the same sentence. Who's the moron using VB as a tool for teaching software engineering? You should hit him on the head with a blunt object until he gives up. Seriously.. :) -- standing so tall, the ground behind no trespassers, on every floor a garden swing, and another door she makes it clear, that everything is hers A place of abode, not far from here, Ms. Van de Veer
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Paul Watson wrote: How so? It's actually more annoying. If you write a line that the compiler doesn't think is correct, it underlines it with the blue squiggly...while you're coding. I think it's better to have it build first and then it shows you your mistakes (not that it ever shows me any...I never make errors:-D).
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder