Old Windows
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
SinghUlarity... wrote:
but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer.
There are plenty of grandpas who are quite comfortable using computers (in my case for 45 years). I don't claim to be an expert but nor do I deride youngsters who cannot hand punch their name onto a Hollerith card.
Just say 'NO' to evaluated arguments for diadic functions! Ash
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
Easy, before you was born, we group up with various computer systems, X Windows Windows 3.0 Windows 3.1 Windows 3.1 wfw Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 4.0 These 'windowed' systems behaved slightly different from today, as the saying goes 'old habits die hard'.
Two heads are better than one.
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
I use Alt + F, S so I must be an old fart for using the File Menu. To be honest I must sound like Luddite but I think there are way too many short-cuts. I am a sloppy typist and there is nothing I hate more than accidentally hitting some obscure key combination that completely alters my current workspace.
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SinghUlarity... wrote:
How is that possible?
Simple: you don't need to know that stuff for programming. You can just type code in an IDE. Those people can even be good programmers - knowledge of algorithms, design patterns, clean coding, etc, is not related to knowing a lot about the command prompt or even to remembering keyboard shortcuts. edit: before anyone complains, I don't see myself as a good programmer.
Sorry H, but if the guy's a UI prog-bod, he'd better know the way the UI works or else he's a sh!t programmer.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Easy, before you was born, we group up with various computer systems, X Windows Windows 3.0 Windows 3.1 Windows 3.1 wfw Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 4.0 These 'windowed' systems behaved slightly different from today, as the saying goes 'old habits die hard'.
Two heads are better than one.
OS/2?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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OS/2?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
I as a developer reserve the right to act stupid when using software - including my own. That's because "stupidity" is mostly "lack of attention", being a state rather than a trait.
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Easy, before you was born, we group up with various computer systems, X Windows Windows 3.0 Windows 3.1 Windows 3.1 wfw Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 4.0 These 'windowed' systems behaved slightly different from today, as the saying goes 'old habits die hard'.
Two heads are better than one.
Norm .net wrote:
X Windows Windows 3.0 Windows 3.1 Windows 3.1 wfw wtf Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 4.0
FTFY. :)
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Norm .net wrote:
X Windows Windows 3.0 Windows 3.1 Windows 3.1 wfw wtf Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 4.0
FTFY. :)
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Sorry H, but if the guy's a UI prog-bod, he'd better know the way the UI works or else he's a sh!t programmer.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Perhaps he just doesn't want to bother with remembering keystroke combinations to perform UI interactions for which he can use the mouse. If he didn't know how the UI worked, he wouldn't know to go to the File menu to find Save. I don't normally use Ctrl-S to save files because it's my habit to click the "Save" toolbar button; however, I nearly always use Ctrl-C/Ctrl-X/Ctrl-V for copy/cut/paste operations, again because that's the habit I've developed. Keyboard shortcuts are only faster once they become second nature.
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No not at all wfw has a good little O/S before I moved to NT.
Two heads are better than one.
Not if you had to continually attempt to clear up the mess caused by people trying to network with it, it wasn't. Cos 'a mate'/'the chap next door'/'a salesman' had told them it could.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
I use the mouse a LOT and I’m not a good typist, but that have never been a problem for me, though it could be a little disadvantage when you are working on the client’s site. Once one of the guys working for our client looked at me and said something like “Wow, I’ve never thought that the programmers are using a mouse!”
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No not at all wfw has a good little O/S before I moved to NT.
Two heads are better than one.
Norm .net wrote:
No not at all wfw has a good little O/S before I moved to NT.
It was a good little DOS GUI + Excel. :)
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Perhaps he just doesn't want to bother with remembering keystroke combinations to perform UI interactions for which he can use the mouse. If he didn't know how the UI worked, he wouldn't know to go to the File menu to find Save. I don't normally use Ctrl-S to save files because it's my habit to click the "Save" toolbar button; however, I nearly always use Ctrl-C/Ctrl-X/Ctrl-V for copy/cut/paste operations, again because that's the habit I've developed. Keyboard shortcuts are only faster once they become second nature.
Sorry, but UI's are ruined by bad programmers. If you don't understanding what you are doing, can you actually produce a good piece of work? UI is not simple. Making it look good is lot harder then wiring up half a dozen controls on a form and hoping for the best.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
SinghUlarity... wrote:
How is that possible?
I blame the mouse. It shuts off 90% of the brain. Marc
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
Funnier as the day that I asked one of my partners (if a sales person can be called like that ;P ) during a presentation of a sw piece, that she should rename the file to be used during the demo, because we were using her fancy Win7 new laptop, what did she did?
ren d:\UsedFile.txt Unused.txt
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SinghUlarity... wrote:
but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer.
There are plenty of grandpas who are quite comfortable using computers (in my case for 45 years). I don't claim to be an expert but nor do I deride youngsters who cannot hand punch their name onto a Hollerith card.
Just say 'NO' to evaluated arguments for diadic functions! Ash
I definitely meant my grandpa types who think pressing the power on button is knowing computers :rolleyes:
I are n00b.
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I definitely meant my grandpa types who think pressing the power on button is knowing computers :rolleyes:
I are n00b.
SinghUlarity... wrote:
grandpa types who think pressing the power on button is knowing computers
Well there is no shortage of young people with the same view. Just take a look at some of the questions posted here every day.
Just say 'NO' to evaluated arguments for diadic functions! Ash
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"This is just like Old Windows!" was what one of my senior programmers had to say when i tried showing him some stuff on Unix. He was of course talking about the Command Prompt/DOS. He is also one of those who still goes to the 'File' menu, searches for 'Save' instead of 'Ctrl + S'. I've met quite a few people who are good programmers but still seem like grandpas when dealing with the Computer. How is that possible? :omg:
I are n00b.
SinghUlarity... wrote:
How is that possible?
If it worked in 1960, and it still works now, why change? ;P
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Sorry H, but if the guy's a UI prog-bod, he'd better know the way the UI works or else he's a sh!t programmer.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Programmers shouldn't build UIs.
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