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  • M Michael Schubert

    See here: http://www.neowin.net/news/storing-tweets-requires-four-petabytes-of-data-a-year[^] I bet that a simple compression algorithm would squeeze this down to 0.00001% of the original data considering the frequency of "words" like coz, plz, etc.

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    R tsumami
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    Just trash evry "tweet" older then 1 hour that should solve it. Thats about the avarage lifespan according to this

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    • R R tsumami

      Just trash evry "tweet" older then 1 hour that should solve it. Thats about the avarage lifespan according to this

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      NormDroid
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      it's probably the average attention span of the prople who use twatter.

      Two heads are better than one.

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      • M Michael Schubert

        See here: http://www.neowin.net/news/storing-tweets-requires-four-petabytes-of-data-a-year[^] I bet that a simple compression algorithm would squeeze this down to 0.00001% of the original data considering the frequency of "words" like coz, plz, etc.

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Just remove Steven Fry's posts - removing his luvvieness would squeeze it down to 0.00001% easily.

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        • R R tsumami

          Just trash evry "tweet" older then 1 hour that should solve it. Thats about the avarage lifespan according to this

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          Richard A Dalton
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          R-tsumami wrote:

          Just trash evry "tweet" older then 1 hour that should solve it.

          That's what jumped out at me when I read this: > All that data is being analyzed by Weil and his team to attempt to > find information that would be useful to help make Twitter a > profitable business. Twitter has been working hard to become > profitable If you're storing all that data, and growing at that rate, and needing to move to a new data center, and you aren't profitable, then maybe you need to look at your business model. I might be proven dramatically wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but we seem to be in the midst of a twitter bubble where the perceived value of tweets has gotten out of all proportion. Perhaps if tweets are really worth so much twitter should try auctioning them off, make the storage someone elses problem. Up for auction today, we have the 2009 tweet collection...what am I bid? Seriously? No bids? Years from now when someone figures out how to make a profit from these things you could be sitting on a goldmine? Someone start me off at $1? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? huh! whadya know, this $^!* is worthless. -Rd

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          • G Gary R Wheeler

            Compressing the tweet itself is probably an incidental problem. Twitter's 'value' to advertisers and such lies in the meta-information about the tweets.

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            NormDroid
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            Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

            Twitter's 'value' to advertisers and such lies in the meta-information about the tweets.

            I'd love to see what's of value :)

            Two heads are better than one.

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              Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

              Twitter's 'value' to advertisers and such lies in the meta-information about the tweets.

              I'd love to see what's of value :)

              Two heads are better than one.

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              Electron Shepherd
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              A lot of it will be indirect. For example, BMW launch a new car via television advertising - their marketing department would a) like to know how many people are talking about the new car b) *really really like* to get hold of their twitter handles

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              • E Electron Shepherd

                A lot of it will be indirect. For example, BMW launch a new car via television advertising - their marketing department would a) like to know how many people are talking about the new car b) *really really like* to get hold of their twitter handles

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                NormDroid
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                Good argument :), yes coming from a marketing angle this could be a bonanza.

                Two heads are better than one.

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                • M Michael Schubert

                  Electron Shepherd wrote:

                  Unlikey

                  And obviously I was exaggerating.

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                  Henry Minute
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                  Surely not!

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                  • R Richard A Dalton

                    R-tsumami wrote:

                    Just trash evry "tweet" older then 1 hour that should solve it.

                    That's what jumped out at me when I read this: > All that data is being analyzed by Weil and his team to attempt to > find information that would be useful to help make Twitter a > profitable business. Twitter has been working hard to become > profitable If you're storing all that data, and growing at that rate, and needing to move to a new data center, and you aren't profitable, then maybe you need to look at your business model. I might be proven dramatically wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but we seem to be in the midst of a twitter bubble where the perceived value of tweets has gotten out of all proportion. Perhaps if tweets are really worth so much twitter should try auctioning them off, make the storage someone elses problem. Up for auction today, we have the 2009 tweet collection...what am I bid? Seriously? No bids? Years from now when someone figures out how to make a profit from these things you could be sitting on a goldmine? Someone start me off at $1? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? huh! whadya know, this $^!* is worthless. -Rd

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                    Richard A. Dalton wrote:

                    Years from now when someone figures out how to make a profit from these things you could be sitting on a goldmine? Someone start me off at $1? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

                    Does that include the 4 petabytes storage, or is that sold seperately?

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                    • E Electron Shepherd

                      Michael Schubert wrote:

                      I bet that a simple compression algorithm would squeeze this down

                      Unlikey. Compression works by looking for repeated patterns, and since each tweet is 140 characters maximum, there's little opportunity for compression. Yes, bolt a 1000 tweets together, and they'll compress really well. But then I would imagine it's really diffcult to process the compressed data as the site needs to.

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                      peterchen
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                      Solution: Build an initial compression table over the whole data set, then use this tabel for compressing the tweets. Still, you are right in oen aspect: the per-message overhead (user id, datetime, IP? What else???) is significant compared to 140 characters of content.

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                      • M Michael Schubert

                        See here: http://www.neowin.net/news/storing-tweets-requires-four-petabytes-of-data-a-year[^] I bet that a simple compression algorithm would squeeze this down to 0.00001% of the original data considering the frequency of "words" like coz, plz, etc.

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        • M Michael Schubert

                          See here: http://www.neowin.net/news/storing-tweets-requires-four-petabytes-of-data-a-year[^] I bet that a simple compression algorithm would squeeze this down to 0.00001% of the original data considering the frequency of "words" like coz, plz, etc.

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                          David Crow
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                          I don't Tweet, so this may be an obvious answer, but why does that information get saved? Do folks go back and reference it at later dates?

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                          • M Michael Schubert

                            See here: http://www.neowin.net/news/storing-tweets-requires-four-petabytes-of-data-a-year[^] I bet that a simple compression algorithm would squeeze this down to 0.00001% of the original data considering the frequency of "words" like coz, plz, etc.

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                            Johnny J
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                            Michael Schubert wrote:

                            4 petabytes of useless drivel

                            I thought you were talking about DD's posts... :laugh:

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