I know this has been beaten to death...
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...but an editor/Chris might want to check this posting out. http://www.codeproject.com/soap/betterxml.asp?msg=338862#xx338862xx[^] I know .SRod. is unhappy in the change to the download guidelines but the language in the post at first read struck me as worded in preparation to uploading damaging code. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid and reading more into this thn there is, but maybe it would be a good idea if someone try to smooth some feathers here before this gets real ugly. Mark
I must be missing something here - I can't find anything in his words that suggests he would upload damaging code. If he doesn't like the measures in place, it's his problem. Just leave him alone.
Simon Walton
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Man, he's really upset. But I wouldn't believe he would put a FORMAT.COM in the code, he has been a nice guy in the support forums, it's not just his style. Besides that, he cannot upload code to the article, since it's edited now. And do you know what I think? He's right. And Chris Maunder, too. :( Let me explain: I do server side programming for a living. I understand Chris's problems and motivations more than you believe. Chris do not have unlimited bandwidth nor processing power (although sometimes I think CP should be about 10 or 20 times faster with its current hardware), it's just impossible for someone on the internet beat a dozen stupid script kiddies with cheapo 2Mb/s ADSL lines. Or a Teleport Pro. And S.Rod is right, too. When he posted the articles, he believed CP would never change its policy. He did put his code for free, for absolutely free. And now he sees the CP member count rocketing because his code is not free anymore (at least, it's what I think he's thinking :) ) That didn't strike me at the moment Chris asked in the Lounge about the changes: some people could not like this change. Maybe he should ask the permission to the article writer's to avoid this kind of problem. For me, I really don't care if someone needs to be a CP member to get my article's files or even my articles. I have written my articles to give back a little to the CP community, and my articles are only published here. [edit]Look at Loren's post just above. How would she feel if people sudden wouldn't be able to reach her code?[/edit] My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Seems strange to me to make all this fuss, seeing as he has total control over deleting anything he doesn't want posted here anymore.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
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I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Seems strange to me to make all this fuss, seeing as he has total control over deleting anything he doesn't want posted here anymore.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
exactly!
Jason Henderson
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I must be missing something here - I can't find anything in his words that suggests he would upload damaging code. If he doesn't like the measures in place, it's his problem. Just leave him alone.
Simon Walton
Sonork: 10024P
"As a consequence, as long as a safer Codeproject user policy is not back into place, I, as author of this article should not be taken liable for the absence or of source code along with it. Furthermore, I should not be by any mean liable for any damage resulting of the use of the binaries and source code in the zip files attached with this article." If you look at it for a 5 minutes, keep the right distance, with your eyes relaxed, you'll soon see a three-dimensional FORMAT.COM appearing :) My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Seems strange to me to make all this fuss, seeing as he has total control over deleting anything he doesn't want posted here anymore.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
Megan Forbes wrote: I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Because he can't. Where is the Delete Article button on the Edited articles? My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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"As a consequence, as long as a safer Codeproject user policy is not back into place, I, as author of this article should not be taken liable for the absence or of source code along with it. Furthermore, I should not be by any mean liable for any damage resulting of the use of the binaries and source code in the zip files attached with this article." If you look at it for a 5 minutes, keep the right distance, with your eyes relaxed, you'll soon see a three-dimensional FORMAT.COM appearing :) My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
Daniel Turini wrote: you'll soon see a three-dimensional FORMAT.COM appearing lol
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Megan Forbes wrote: I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Because he can't. Where is the Delete Article button on the Edited articles? My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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Send a message to Chris. I am sure Chris will be happy to delete them. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Tim Smith wrote: Send a message to Chris. I am sure Chris will be happy to delete them. I think he won't even need to send Chris a message, which, I think should be what he should did in first place. If I were Chris, I would delete the article ASAP. My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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Megan Forbes wrote: I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Because he can't. Where is the Delete Article button on the Edited articles? My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
Daniel Turini wrote: Where is the Delete Article button on the Edited articles? True - I forgot about that :-O , but I'm sure the editors would be happy to oblige.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
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...but an editor/Chris might want to check this posting out. http://www.codeproject.com/soap/betterxml.asp?msg=338862#xx338862xx[^] I know .SRod. is unhappy in the change to the download guidelines but the language in the post at first read struck me as worded in preparation to uploading damaging code. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid and reading more into this thn there is, but maybe it would be a good idea if someone try to smooth some feathers here before this gets real ugly. Mark
Mark Conger wrote: know .SRod. is unhappy in the change to the download guidelines but the language in the post at first read struck me as worded in preparation to uploading damaging code. I think you're reading way too much into it. He's essentially disclaiming all ownership/responsibility of those articles and everything associated with them until CodeProject has an "safe" user policy. I certainly don't know him well, but I never got the impression that he would be purposely vindictive and attempt to hurt people on purpose. I don't think that there is any reason whatsoever to worry about him uploading malicious code. His being upset is absurdly off-base, in my opinion. Membership on CodeProject does not require the disclosure of any personal identification other than an email address. Further, posting the article on CodeProject does not in any way, shape, or form prevent him from posting it somewhere else. -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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Tim Smith wrote: Send a message to Chris. I am sure Chris will be happy to delete them. I think he won't even need to send Chris a message, which, I think should be what he should did in first place. If I were Chris, I would delete the article ASAP. My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
Daniel Turini wrote: If I were Chris, I would delete the article ASAP. No - Stephane is entitled to his views. There's no way I'm deleting someone's articles just because they are voicing their displeasure with something we're doing here. He has the right to voice his thoughts. If he requests his articles removed then I'll reluctantly do it - but I would hope that we can find some middle ground before it comes to that. Stephane is a smart guy - I can't see him being childish about this. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Mark Conger wrote: know .SRod. is unhappy in the change to the download guidelines but the language in the post at first read struck me as worded in preparation to uploading damaging code. I think you're reading way too much into it. He's essentially disclaiming all ownership/responsibility of those articles and everything associated with them until CodeProject has an "safe" user policy. I certainly don't know him well, but I never got the impression that he would be purposely vindictive and attempt to hurt people on purpose. I don't think that there is any reason whatsoever to worry about him uploading malicious code. His being upset is absurdly off-base, in my opinion. Membership on CodeProject does not require the disclosure of any personal identification other than an email address. Further, posting the article on CodeProject does not in any way, shape, or form prevent him from posting it somewhere else. -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
Russell Morris wrote: I think you're reading way too much into it. He's essentially disclaiming all ownership/responsibility of those articles and everything associated with them until CodeProject has an "safe" user policy. At the moment everything you download from CodeProject is, by necessity, "at your own risk". Stephane's comment seemed a little weird but I'm sure he meant no harm in it. Even so, there are liability issues if you deliberately upload something that you know to be damaging. cheers, Chris Maunder
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...but an editor/Chris might want to check this posting out. http://www.codeproject.com/soap/betterxml.asp?msg=338862#xx338862xx[^] I know .SRod. is unhappy in the change to the download guidelines but the language in the post at first read struck me as worded in preparation to uploading damaging code. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid and reading more into this thn there is, but maybe it would be a good idea if someone try to smooth some feathers here before this gets real ugly. Mark
The man may be a little rude at some times, but I think we all can be. I don't think he's gonna screw something up on purpose (Aside from the voting system on his "OnBeforeNavigate2 Fix" article). So I think he's just voicing his displeasure at the new way of doing things.
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder
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Russell Morris wrote: I think you're reading way too much into it. He's essentially disclaiming all ownership/responsibility of those articles and everything associated with them until CodeProject has an "safe" user policy. At the moment everything you download from CodeProject is, by necessity, "at your own risk". Stephane's comment seemed a little weird but I'm sure he meant no harm in it. Even so, there are liability issues if you deliberately upload something that you know to be damaging. cheers, Chris Maunder
I happen to agree that what he said doesn't at all sound like a threat. But it struck me more as a "Until I get my way, I'm taking my balls and going home" attitude. It might not be the greatest thing that you have to be a member now. But what is the alternative? Pay board just to offset the bandwidth costs? I don't think so. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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I happen to agree that what he said doesn't at all sound like a threat. But it struck me more as a "Until I get my way, I'm taking my balls and going home" attitude. It might not be the greatest thing that you have to be a member now. But what is the alternative? Pay board just to offset the bandwidth costs? I don't think so. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
*nods* I only quickskimmed the message text but the language just struck me as a bit odd and gave me a slight pause. anyway, my intention of posting wasn't to imply he would do something, just that Chris or an editor might want to talk to him/her (which is it?) and try and smooth a few feathers. Mark
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Megan Forbes wrote: I wonder why S.Rod doesn't save his articles to some kind of text file if he doesn't want to lose them, and then delete them from CP if he doesn't like the new policy. Because he can't. Where is the Delete Article button on the Edited articles? My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
Do you honestly believe Chris would refuse to delete them if requested ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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...but an editor/Chris might want to check this posting out. http://www.codeproject.com/soap/betterxml.asp?msg=338862#xx338862xx[^] I know .SRod. is unhappy in the change to the download guidelines but the language in the post at first read struck me as worded in preparation to uploading damaging code. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid and reading more into this thn there is, but maybe it would be a good idea if someone try to smooth some feathers here before this gets real ugly. Mark
The man is a moron, that's my view. He has made a not insignificant contribution to the site in terms of articles, but it hardly gives him the right to act like this. If he feels so bad about something that I regard as meaningless ( you don't even need to provide a working email to join, so what is his problem ? ), he should just go elsewhere. Pure and simple. That's what a man would do, instead he is acting like a whiny little girl. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002