Is flash a good choice for building a site?
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
No. Nothing Adobe does is a good idea. Flash will not be killed by HTML5. However, there are some interesting HTML5 games out there...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
No. Nothing Adobe does is a good idea. Flash will not be killed by HTML5. However, there are some interesting HTML5 games out there...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
I think if you look at the dif page, HTML5 offers more than just a new video tag... http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/[^] Go look at some of the stuff done at http://www.chromeexperiments.com/[^] I still like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/[^] (its been mentioned on here a while back when it first appeared) its built on html5
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I think if you look at the dif page, HTML5 offers more than just a new video tag... http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/[^] Go look at some of the stuff done at http://www.chromeexperiments.com/[^] I still like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/[^] (its been mentioned on here a while back when it first appeared) its built on html5
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DaveAuld wrote:
I still like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/\[^\] (its been mentioned on here a while back when it first appeared) its built on html5
This is amazing. The only distration is that all popout videos have boders and title bars. I assume those can be customized.
TOMZ_KV
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
HTML5 will not be replacing neither Flash nor Silverlight. If you are to develop for HTML5, remember there are competing browsers you need to cater for, this means you need to deliver content that satisfies those competing browsers and have to have fall back to Flash for those browsers that cannot handle HTML5, this means potentially 3 different versions of the SAME video. Of course, if you are developing for iPhone/iPad, then Flash is a big NO. If you HAVE to use flash, or the HTML5 video tags, keep the size as small as you can. Some flash content can look great but is hugely expensive in bandwidth, and some applications of flash can be "over the top"
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I think if you look at the dif page, HTML5 offers more than just a new video tag... http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/[^] Go look at some of the stuff done at http://www.chromeexperiments.com/[^] I still like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/[^] (its been mentioned on here a while back when it first appeared) its built on html5
Dave Find Me On: Web|Facebook|Twitter|LinkedIn CPRepWatcher now available as Packaged Chrome Extension, visit my articles for link.
DaveAuld wrote:
I still like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/\[^\] (its been mentioned on here a while back when it first appeared) its built on html5
It recommends Chrome. pass. Any website that mentions a web browser like that I'll pass or can't be viewed in any browser.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
Your question is too vague. The right answer to this question depends on several things: 1. What kind of interactive animations you are talking about? 2. What is the duration of the project? 3. What devices/browsers are you targeting? If your website can be developed purely using HTML and JS, then go for it. Since you have video, you need to use Flash/SilverLight to play it on certain browsers. On other browsers that support HTML5, you still can use the video HTML element. But then you will have problem with video codecs. The solution of which is to use Flash. The death of Flash is still far away. But I will try to do as much stuff using HTML and JS as possible.
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
Flash is ubiquitous and HTML5 is so new that it probably won't be viable for quite some time. Holy shit did I just write that sentence? :) Anyway even though Flash is crap most browsers support it with the plugin. I honestly wouldn't use Flash to build a whole site if I had the choice but I have done so in the past. Damn designers. I use ColdFusion (yes, yes another Adobe product) and using Flash as the front end is pretty painless.
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.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Flash is ubiquitous and HTML5 is so new that it probably won't be viable for quite some time. Holy shit did I just write that sentence? :) Anyway even though Flash is crap most browsers support it with the plugin. I honestly wouldn't use Flash to build a whole site if I had the choice but I have done so in the past. Damn designers. I use ColdFusion (yes, yes another Adobe product) and using Flash as the front end is pretty painless.
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Flash websites are evil. HTML5 is not ready for primetime (according to the W3C folks who are "in charge" of it.) When HTML5 is done....it, too, will be evil as a website interface.
I agree! I wish they would just let the medium do what it was meant to do. The web is a stateless environment but everyone wants to turn it into a desktop/client server type environment. So we have Flash and AJAX and all of the other tricks to fool people into thinking they are NOT on the web!! :wtf: Then again I'd probably be flipping burgers right now ... or maybe I'd still be developing educational software which was way cooler than the crap I do now!! ;)
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I agree! I wish they would just let the medium do what it was meant to do. The web is a stateless environment but everyone wants to turn it into a desktop/client server type environment. So we have Flash and AJAX and all of the other tricks to fool people into thinking they are NOT on the web!! :wtf: Then again I'd probably be flipping burgers right now ... or maybe I'd still be developing educational software which was way cooler than the crap I do now!! ;)
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
The <canvas> tag along with javascript is what can potentially replace flash. The video tag is just for playing video that the browser has a built in codec for (and yeah lots of differences in support there).
// Steve McLenithan
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
HTML5.0 will not be an option for a general purpose website for a long time. People are testing out all the current implementations right now. Personally I wouldn't ever build an entire site in flash, just use it for the video player. Flash has a lot of downsides as far as linking, accessibility, and just general usability and downloading. Working with javascript and html is a lot nicer now. I've been playing around with HTML 5.0 and the canvas tag if you want to check out the link in my signature, but it works best in chrome and IE9.0 and so so in firefox.
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DaveAuld wrote:
I still like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/\[^\] (its been mentioned on here a while back when it first appeared) its built on html5
It recommends Chrome. pass. Any website that mentions a web browser like that I'll pass or can't be viewed in any browser.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
The whole point of that site is to show what chrome can do. The chrome development team helped put it together. :laugh:
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
It might not be true any more, but when the company I work for redid their website several years ago totally in Flash (using an outside firm), no one could find it using search engines since they did not index Flash. I had to redo the entire thing using a combination of HTML & JavaScript :sigh:
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HTML5.0 will not be an option for a general purpose website for a long time. People are testing out all the current implementations right now. Personally I wouldn't ever build an entire site in flash, just use it for the video player. Flash has a lot of downsides as far as linking, accessibility, and just general usability and downloading. Working with javascript and html is a lot nicer now. I've been playing around with HTML 5.0 and the canvas tag if you want to check out the link in my signature, but it works best in chrome and IE9.0 and so so in firefox.
No idea why someone's voted you a 1 without leaving a comment. If you want hardly anyone to be able to view your site properly for a year or two, build it in HTML with your videos using the new HTML 5 stuff. If you want just about everyone to be able to view it as intended, build it in HTML and use flash for your videos. If you want to please everyone and are willing to do a bit more work, build it in HTML with your videos using the new HTML 5 stuff but with a fallback to flash videos for browsers that don't support HTML 5. If you want everyone to hate you, build the whole thing in flash.
Regards Nelviticus
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I have been involved in a project in which a decision has to be made for if flash should be used primarily for the site construction since vidoes are a big part of it. There are a lot of noises on the internet talking about the incoming HTML 5 that could make the flash obsolete. Looking at the specification, it just provides a new Video tag. How could that replace the interactive flash?
TOMZ_KV
If you want the site visible on iPhone or iPad, then Flash is right out because it isn't and won't be supported on either platform.
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If you want the site visible on iPhone or iPad, then Flash is right out because it isn't and won't be supported on either platform.
You say not being usable from an iPhone or iPad like its a bad thing :-D
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