This is awesome
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Majerus wrote:
Otherwise I'm not interested
nor am I, not after visiting the side show.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. As American as: hot dogs, apple pie and Sarah Palin God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
45% is still a minority of Americans
Yes? Your point is what? That 45% is not a plurality? That the 35% who oppose the fiscal conservatism of the Tea Party are the only ones who count?
Keith Barrow wrote:
polls can be easily skewed
Absolutely, but there are numerous polls showing the results I cited and none showing the reverse.
The man who insists that he will walk the middle of the road has his path determined for him by those who define the ditches, and never then takes a step of his own real choosing.
Oakman wrote:
That the 35% who oppose the fiscal conservatism of the Tea Party are the only ones who count?
If it was just about actual fiscal responsibility, I seriously doubt much of anyone would have a problem with it, but given the tacked on desire to revert society to the 1950s in all cases except the tax rate it's pretty easy to find reasons to discount them. I say this as someone who had to explain to a lot of the people who were involved in the initial outbreak of the movement that calling themselves tea baggers was a really, really bad idea. I've watched the fringe elements who have attempted to shape what could have been a competent movement(possibly, though anyone who attempts to appeal to a historic event in a completely inaccurate context is on a bad start) since they got a hold of it. If they're the average American I'll be on trial for atheism, satan worship and defamation of their lord and savior Ronald Regan within the decade. But like I said, it'd be really hard to find a reason not to accept fiscal responsibility, what is difficult is explaining to people that ending all taxes and freezing the government is not responsible, it's the exact opposite. Being responsible is dealing with the messes that have been made rather than playing the blame game and demanding all incumbents be ejected as if that is going to be a magical solution.
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Who would have thought you and Christian would be the two who decided that the rules of this forum didn't apply to them? Here I am trying to have an intelligent discussion and you two trolls just have to create a confrontation. But then again, that is why I created SB1.
The man who insists that he will walk the middle of the road has his path determined for him by those who define the ditches, and never then takes a step of his own real choosing.
Oakman wrote:
Who would have thought you and Christian would be the two who decided that the rules of this forum didn't apply to them? Here I am trying to have an intelligent discussion and you two trolls just have to create a confrontation. But then again, that is why I created SB1.
I donlt know which rule you think I've broken but other than that you;re right. My comment was uncalled for and I appologise.
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Oakman wrote:
Who would have thought you and Christian would be the two who decided that the rules of this forum didn't apply to them? Here I am trying to have an intelligent discussion and you two trolls just have to create a confrontation. But then again, that is why I created SB1.
I donlt know which rule you think I've broken but other than that you;re right. My comment was uncalled for and I appologise.
Josh Gray wrote:
I donlt know which rule you think I've broken
"The SoapBox is not for flame wars, personal vendettas. . ."
Josh Gray wrote:
My comment was uncalled for and I appologise.
Good on you, mate. Accepted.
The man who insists that he will walk the middle of the road has his path determined for him by those who define the ditches, and never then takes a step of his own real choosing.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I donlt know which rule you think I've broken
"The SoapBox is not for flame wars, personal vendettas. . ."
Josh Gray wrote:
My comment was uncalled for and I appologise.
Good on you, mate. Accepted.
The man who insists that he will walk the middle of the road has his path determined for him by those who define the ditches, and never then takes a step of his own real choosing.
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The teaparty take advantage of the gullibility of people (this does not only apply to Americans). The rather shallow rhetoric takes into account that its adherents rarely check out the information they're fed Another technique they employ, continuously, is to make a number of statements, using a verbal syntax template, that virtually everyone can agree with, and then feeds in their lunacy, using the same pattern, which now becomes acceptable do the the forged similarity. Speeches, rallies, but above all, mob-mentality. By golly, they are, truly, the "Party of Palin" - for it's easy to criticize and give glittering generalities as a semblance of solution, but in real life (as we will, unfortunately, all to seen witness), they will only create partisan destruction. Idiot-worship at its best. Bush and his gang offered the same crap - and all but ruined the United State's economy, and the rest of the world along with it. But, you're welcome to polish up those jack-boots. It's a free country . . . unless you have your way.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek dissappointment. If you are searching for perfection in yourself, then you seek failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
The grand irony of your comment is that it is clearly based on your own gullibility. I'm no supporter of the tea party movement, but its members are certainly far more well informed, intelligent and non-radical than are its detractors. The sole reason for its existence is simply that the US government, especially the democrat party, has become entirely controlled by radical leftists. There simply is no disputing that obvious fact. Any effort to do so makes you a liar a fool, or both.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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The teaparty take advantage of the gullibility of people (this does not only apply to Americans). The rather shallow rhetoric takes into account that its adherents rarely check out the information they're fed Another technique they employ, continuously, is to make a number of statements, using a verbal syntax template, that virtually everyone can agree with, and then feeds in their lunacy, using the same pattern, which now becomes acceptable do the the forged similarity. Speeches, rallies, but above all, mob-mentality. By golly, they are, truly, the "Party of Palin" - for it's easy to criticize and give glittering generalities as a semblance of solution, but in real life (as we will, unfortunately, all to seen witness), they will only create partisan destruction. Idiot-worship at its best. Bush and his gang offered the same crap - and all but ruined the United State's economy, and the rest of the world along with it. But, you're welcome to polish up those jack-boots. It's a free country . . . unless you have your way.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek dissappointment. If you are searching for perfection in yourself, then you seek failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Balboos wrote:
for it's easy to criticize and give glittering generalities as a semblance of solution, but in real life (as we will, unfortunately, all to seen witness), they will only create partisan destruction. Idiot-worship at its best.
You mean like "Hope & Change"? :laugh:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end" - Unknown
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Keith Barrow wrote:
45% is still a minority of Americans
Yes? Your point is what? That 45% is not a plurality? That the 35% who oppose the fiscal conservatism of the Tea Party are the only ones who count?
Keith Barrow wrote:
polls can be easily skewed
Absolutely, but there are numerous polls showing the results I cited and none showing the reverse.
The man who insists that he will walk the middle of the road has his path determined for him by those who define the ditches, and never then takes a step of his own real choosing.
Apologies it has taken so long to reply. I'll put this into standard form as far as possible, to make it clear: [Paraphrasing] CG : The Tea Party as a caricature of something that is already a caricature You: The way I read the rules, "I hate America" posts belong in the back room. Or don't they apply to you? Inference: Decrying the tea party is hating america. Le Gauchiste: I think this is more "I think teapartiers are idiots" more than "I hate America". Distind: Which despite what they will tell you, are in fact two very different things. You: Wrong, but thanks for playing. Polls show that 45% of all Americans support the Tea Party's goals, while only 35% oppose them Inference: You beleive that thinking the teapartiers are idiot = hating America because 45% of Americans support the tea party. This is a fallacious argument, statistics state 50.9% (which isn't a minority) of people in the US are women, therefore does a sexist hate america?
Oakman wrote:
That the 35% who oppose the fiscal conservatism of the Tea Party are the only ones who count?
Nope, but I think your argument is incorrect, as outlined above.
Oakman wrote:
Absolutely, but there are numerous polls showing the results I cited and none showing the reverse.
In the best tradition of Wikipedia: Citations needed. The sources you use are important, to avoid confirmation bias, and to determine the likelyhood of a fair poll. If I read "Pidgeon Fancier's Gazette", the likelyhood is I'll find plenty of evidence that pidgeon-racing is the best sport there is.
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Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Thanks for sharing. Good Stuff. My 5 for you.
Regards, Sathesh. The best way to express one's gratitude to the Divine is to feel simply Happy..