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  • R realJSOP

    I wasn't ready for this:

    Dim [step] as String

    I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    Did you point out that it would more than double the budget and cause you to discharge several of your weapons in his general direction? :-)

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    • R realJSOP

      I wasn't ready for this:

      Dim [step] as String

      I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
      -----
      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

      modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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      Jacquers
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      That sucks. How are you converting it? Manually or using an app?

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      • R R Giskard Reventlov

        Did you point out that it would more than double the budget and cause you to discharge several of your weapons in his general direction? :-)

        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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        realJSOP
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        I'm a government contractor - the contract doesn't end until net October, and there's no real schedule to speak of. Cost isn't an issue. He's got guns too. At least it would be a somewhat fair fight (if you can really apply the word "fair" to a gunfight).

        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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        • R realJSOP

          I wasn't ready for this:

          Dim [step] as String

          I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
          -----
          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
          -----
          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

          modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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          Dalek Dave
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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          VB is a scurge on mankind

          Scourge, surely?

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          • J Jacquers

            That sucks. How are you converting it? Manually or using an app?

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            realJSOP
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            I'm using a web site that converts. For the most part, it does an okay job, but Linq statements tend to freak it out. I have a LOT of linq statements. I hate pretty much everything about VB, so this makes me hate my job. I updated my resume last night. I think my boss doesn't want to learn C#. I recognize that VB abnd C# are pretty much the same, but the differences are infuriating, and I simply don't like coding in it. NOTHING will change my outlook regarding VB. It has no redeeming features.

            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              VB is a scurge on mankind

              Scourge, surely?

              ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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              realJSOP
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              Yeah - what-the-f*ck ever.

              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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              • R realJSOP

                I'm using a web site that converts. For the most part, it does an okay job, but Linq statements tend to freak it out. I have a LOT of linq statements. I hate pretty much everything about VB, so this makes me hate my job. I updated my resume last night. I think my boss doesn't want to learn C#. I recognize that VB abnd C# are pretty much the same, but the differences are infuriating, and I simply don't like coding in it. NOTHING will change my outlook regarding VB. It has no redeeming features.

                .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                -----
                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                -----
                "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                Jacquers
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                Yeah, I'm not crazy about VB either. How about loading up the project in reflector and let it spit out the code in VB?

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                • R realJSOP

                  I wasn't ready for this:

                  Dim [step] as String

                  I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

                  .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                  -----
                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                  -----
                  "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

                  modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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                  Henry Minute
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                  C# also allows this.

                  The prefix "@" enables the use of keywords as identifiers, which is useful when interfacing with other programming languages. The character @ is not actually part of the identifier, so the identifier might be seen in other languages as a normal identifier, without the prefix. An identifier with an @ prefix is called a verbatim identifier. Use of the @ prefix for identifiers that are not keywords is permitted, but strongly discouraged as a matter of style.

                  from MSDN[^].

                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                  • R realJSOP

                    I wasn't ready for this:

                    Dim [step] as String

                    I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

                    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                    -----
                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                    -----
                    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

                    modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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                    Nemanja Trifunovic
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                    Potato, pothato:

                    string @int = "Hi, John";

                    utf8-cpp

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                    • R realJSOP

                      It would never even cross my mind to do that. "Strongly discouraged"? It's more like a killing offense.

                      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                      -----
                      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                      Henry Minute
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                      Agreed!

                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                      • H Henry Minute

                        C# also allows this.

                        The prefix "@" enables the use of keywords as identifiers, which is useful when interfacing with other programming languages. The character @ is not actually part of the identifier, so the identifier might be seen in other languages as a normal identifier, without the prefix. An identifier with an @ prefix is called a verbatim identifier. Use of the @ prefix for identifiers that are not keywords is permitted, but strongly discouraged as a matter of style.

                        from MSDN[^].

                        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                        realJSOP
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                        It would never even cross my mind to do that. "Strongly discouraged"? It's more like a killing offense.

                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                        -----
                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                          Potato, pothato:

                          string @int = "Hi, John";

                          utf8-cpp

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                          realJSOP
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                          Yeah - like I said, it would never even cross my mind to do soemthing like that. It's just stupid.

                          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                          • R realJSOP

                            I wasn't ready for this:

                            Dim [step] as String

                            I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

                            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                            -----
                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                            -----
                            "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

                            modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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                            Dave Parker
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                            It could be worse, at least you're not having to rewrite in VB6.

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                            • R realJSOP

                              I wasn't ready for this:

                              Dim [step] as String

                              I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

                              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                              -----
                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                              -----
                              "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

                              modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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                              Chris Losinger
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                              SQL allows that, too. SELECT [Date] FROM History

                              image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                              • R realJSOP

                                I wasn't ready for this:

                                Dim [step] as String

                                I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

                                .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                -----
                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                -----
                                "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

                                modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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                                Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                but amazingly bad practice...

                                For manual code, yes! However, this feature is extremely useful for generative programming (where your code generates code based on user inputs, compiles it and runs it) Thankfully, this feature is supported in both C# and VB.

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                                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                  but amazingly bad practice...

                                  For manual code, yes! However, this feature is extremely useful for generative programming (where your code generates code based on user inputs, compiles it and runs it) Thankfully, this feature is supported in both C# and VB.

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                                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                  For manual code, yes!

                                  For ANY code - yes. It's like using goto. Just because you *can* use it doesn't mean you *should*.

                                  .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                  "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                    SQL allows that, too. SELECT [Date] FROM History

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                                    realJSOP
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                                    Yeah, and I hate it there, too. I'm not a fan of SQl either, as long as we're on the topic.

                                    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                    • R realJSOP

                                      Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                      For manual code, yes!

                                      For ANY code - yes. It's like using goto. Just because you *can* use it doesn't mean you *should*.

                                      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                      -----
                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                      -----
                                      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                      It's like saying that assembler should not use jump statements or certain constructs. When you are auto-generating code which is not supposed to be read by anyone (sort of like ASP.NET does) this feature works well. The neat thing is that codedom automatically takes care of this.

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                                        Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                        For manual code, yes!

                                        For ANY code - yes. It's like using goto. Just because you *can* use it doesn't mean you *should*.

                                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                        -----
                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                        -----
                                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                        Simon_Whale
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                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        Just because you *can* use it doesn't mean you *should*.

                                        Best advice ever!

                                        As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.

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                                        • R realJSOP

                                          I wasn't ready for this:

                                          Dim [step] as String

                                          I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.

                                          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                          -----
                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                          -----
                                          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

                                          modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM

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                                          Ahhh yes, cricket. Such things happen so you can learn humility. OTOH, at least you're not using FORTRAN or COBOL! BTW, I'm a slow learner.

                                          CQ de W5ALT

                                          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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