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    ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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    you should route the pad from the a distinctly to the F.E without actually doing the latter without first doing the pad.

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    • C Chris C B

      ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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      My whole network, wired and wireless, is built around TrendNet[^] components. They're less expensive than the more expensive competitors, and they work. I'd suggest taking a look at their stuff.

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      • C Chris C B

        ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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        I would say, get a decent router and an a decent compatible AP, and just a couple of directional antennae and you should be fine, e.g. Draytek 2820n (or Vn if you thinking about VOIP), and a Draytek AP-800 You should get a pretty good link with those. (if you get external antennae and mount them on the wall of house and office, this would also help).

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        • C Chris C B

          ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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          Chris C-B wrote:

          Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

          Which of the following you prefer:

          1. Spend about $6,000
          2. Stop working, watch TV with MrsLadyWife

          My Younger Son & His "PET"

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            My whole network, wired and wireless, is built around TrendNet[^] components. They're less expensive than the more expensive competitors, and they work. I'd suggest taking a look at their stuff.

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            Many thanks for that. It looks like a pair of 150Mbps Wireless N Access Points (TEW-650AP) would do the job with very little expenditure.

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              I would say, get a decent router and an a decent compatible AP, and just a couple of directional antennae and you should be fine, e.g. Draytek 2820n (or Vn if you thinking about VOIP), and a Draytek AP-800 You should get a pretty good link with those. (if you get external antennae and mount them on the wall of house and office, this would also help).

              Dave Find Me On: Web|Facebook|Twitter|LinkedIn My Latest Article: ESD System Communication Failure Fail Safe Software Implementation

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              Thanks for the suggestion. I was looking at Draytec stuff last night, and although it appears to be pretty good, it seemed rather expensive for my modest requirement. I shall definitely take up the idea of external antennae, though.

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                Chris C-B wrote:

                Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

                Which of the following you prefer:

                1. Spend about $6,000
                2. Stop working, watch TV with MrsLadyWife

                My Younger Son & His "PET"

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                You missed an option: 0. Put the line through, then push off down the pub for :beer: :)

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                • C Chris C B

                  ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                  Sorry your tape destructed before I could read it. :)

                  The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it. My latest tip/trick Visit the Hindi forum here.

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                    ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                    For a similar situation, from tree house to bedroom 2 cans connected by string worked fairly well for me. Green Bean cans seem to work best for audio no idea about digital. Do NOT use nylon or any synthetic string the old cotton thread works the best. Good luck Mr. Phelps

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                      ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                      Are the office and the house on the same ring main? If so, http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=433[^] could be an option?

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                        Are the office and the house on the same ring main? If so, http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=433[^] could be an option?

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                        neilarnold wrote:

                        Are the office and the house on the same ring main?

                        Unfortunately not - each building has its own meter, mainly because when we restored the house (which had never had electricity before) we couldn't get a three-phase supply, so we split the load.

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                        • C Chris C B

                          ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                          How about Powerline from the router in the office to a switch in the house?

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                            ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                            Hi, You mention you have a buried telephone line between the house and office. Why not get a couple of 'Modem' type devices that allow you to run Ethernet over Telephone lines. Take a look at these: http://www.datalinkcom.net/industrial_ethernet/JetCon2502.htm[^] http://www.smarthome.com/6407E/Corinex-CXH-AV-ETH-Av-Phoneline-Ethernet-Bridge/p.aspx[^] http://www.netsys-direct.co.uk/acatalog/NH-310_P.pdf[^]

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                              ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                              you can get a old router SMC barricade sheap, get a 25 meters of network cable, connect the cable to the linksys, on the another end (office) connect the router, create a sub-network and thats it. spend $100, or less.

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                                Hi, You mention you have a buried telephone line between the house and office. Why not get a couple of 'Modem' type devices that allow you to run Ethernet over Telephone lines. Take a look at these: http://www.datalinkcom.net/industrial_ethernet/JetCon2502.htm[^] http://www.smarthome.com/6407E/Corinex-CXH-AV-ETH-Av-Phoneline-Ethernet-Bridge/p.aspx[^] http://www.netsys-direct.co.uk/acatalog/NH-310_P.pdf[^]

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                                Thanks for the suggestion - normally it would be a good way to go. Unfortunately the ADSL box in the house is a 'special' that gets subscription TV over the internet, and it must be hardwired into both the ADSL and the set top box, using a specific RJ45 port. Thus the telephone line into the house must go directly into this modem/router. There is no room in the trunking to run a reverse cable.

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                                  you can get a old router SMC barricade sheap, get a 25 meters of network cable, connect the cable to the linksys, on the another end (office) connect the router, create a sub-network and thats it. spend $100, or less.

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                                  I can't run an ethernet cable between the office and the house. I couldn't bury it, because of a large area of patio, tree roots, and other buried stuff, and I can't run it elevated because MLW would kill me, and anyway, there are too many trees in the way.

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                                    I can't run an ethernet cable between the office and the house. I couldn't bury it, because of a large area of patio, tree roots, and other buried stuff, and I can't run it elevated because MLW would kill me, and anyway, there are too many trees in the way.

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                                    you have a telephone line, dont't you, it passes below the patio? just tie the network cable to it and pull from the another end. the tie must be smood and with duck tape to make it like the continuation of the line.

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                                      My whole network, wired and wireless, is built around TrendNet[^] components. They're less expensive than the more expensive competitors, and they work. I'd suggest taking a look at their stuff.

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                                      LunaticFringe wrote:

                                      They're less expensive than the more expensive competitors

                                      Much to my dismay, I've found that they are more expensive than the less expensive competitors. Sorry, couldn't pass that one up!

                                      Mike Devenney

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                                        Many thanks for that. It looks like a pair of 150Mbps Wireless N Access Points (TEW-650AP) would do the job with very little expenditure.

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                                        Chris, I have one more suggestion. A few weeks back in the email there was a link to a cool sight that shows you how to built directional antennae. That same site had a link as to how to make an indoor router into an outdoor one. You might try turning those pair of cheap routers into two outdoor ones that end up meeting your needs. Darren

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                                          ...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.

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                                          How about you drill a hole in the wall and put standard routers outside so they escape the Faraday cages. All you got to do is build two boxes (think mailbox style, one per building) to protect it from the rain and your two outside routers can communicate without problem. Put one under the patio and the other near the electricity counter or something and MLW won't even know it's there. Just make sure there is no condensation (don't insulate it) and I think you would do just fine.

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