Your mission, should you decide to accept it...
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I would say, get a decent router and an a decent compatible AP, and just a couple of directional antennae and you should be fine, e.g. Draytek 2820n (or Vn if you thinking about VOIP), and a Draytek AP-800 You should get a pretty good link with those. (if you get external antennae and mount them on the wall of house and office, this would also help).
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Chris C-B wrote:
Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
Which of the following you prefer:
- Spend about $6,000
- Stop working, watch TV with MrsLadyWife
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
For a similar situation, from tree house to bedroom 2 cans connected by string worked fairly well for me. Green Bean cans seem to work best for audio no idea about digital. Do NOT use nylon or any synthetic string the old cotton thread works the best. Good luck Mr. Phelps
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
Are the office and the house on the same ring main? If so, http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=433[^] could be an option?
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Are the office and the house on the same ring main? If so, http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=433[^] could be an option?
neilarnold wrote:
Are the office and the house on the same ring main?
Unfortunately not - each building has its own meter, mainly because when we restored the house (which had never had electricity before) we couldn't get a three-phase supply, so we split the load.
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
Hi, You mention you have a buried telephone line between the house and office. Why not get a couple of 'Modem' type devices that allow you to run Ethernet over Telephone lines. Take a look at these: http://www.datalinkcom.net/industrial_ethernet/JetCon2502.htm[^] http://www.smarthome.com/6407E/Corinex-CXH-AV-ETH-Av-Phoneline-Ethernet-Bridge/p.aspx[^] http://www.netsys-direct.co.uk/acatalog/NH-310_P.pdf[^]
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
you can get a old router SMC barricade sheap, get a 25 meters of network cable, connect the cable to the linksys, on the another end (office) connect the router, create a sub-network and thats it. spend $100, or less.
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Hi, You mention you have a buried telephone line between the house and office. Why not get a couple of 'Modem' type devices that allow you to run Ethernet over Telephone lines. Take a look at these: http://www.datalinkcom.net/industrial_ethernet/JetCon2502.htm[^] http://www.smarthome.com/6407E/Corinex-CXH-AV-ETH-Av-Phoneline-Ethernet-Bridge/p.aspx[^] http://www.netsys-direct.co.uk/acatalog/NH-310_P.pdf[^]
Thanks for the suggestion - normally it would be a good way to go. Unfortunately the ADSL box in the house is a 'special' that gets subscription TV over the internet, and it must be hardwired into both the ADSL and the set top box, using a specific RJ45 port. Thus the telephone line into the house must go directly into this modem/router. There is no room in the trunking to run a reverse cable.
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you can get a old router SMC barricade sheap, get a 25 meters of network cable, connect the cable to the linksys, on the another end (office) connect the router, create a sub-network and thats it. spend $100, or less.
I can't run an ethernet cable between the office and the house. I couldn't bury it, because of a large area of patio, tree roots, and other buried stuff, and I can't run it elevated because MLW would kill me, and anyway, there are too many trees in the way.
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I can't run an ethernet cable between the office and the house. I couldn't bury it, because of a large area of patio, tree roots, and other buried stuff, and I can't run it elevated because MLW would kill me, and anyway, there are too many trees in the way.
you have a telephone line, dont't you, it passes below the patio? just tie the network cable to it and pull from the another end. the tie must be smood and with duck tape to make it like the continuation of the line.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
They're less expensive than the more expensive competitors
Much to my dismay, I've found that they are more expensive than the less expensive competitors. Sorry, couldn't pass that one up!
Mike Devenney
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Many thanks for that. It looks like a pair of 150Mbps Wireless N Access Points (TEW-650AP) would do the job with very little expenditure.
Chris, I have one more suggestion. A few weeks back in the email there was a link to a cool sight that shows you how to built directional antennae. That same site had a link as to how to make an indoor router into an outdoor one. You might try turning those pair of cheap routers into two outdoor ones that end up meeting your needs. Darren
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
How about you drill a hole in the wall and put standard routers outside so they escape the Faraday cages. All you got to do is build two boxes (think mailbox style, one per building) to protect it from the rain and your two outside routers can communicate without problem. Put one under the patio and the other near the electricity counter or something and MLW won't even know it's there. Just make sure there is no condensation (don't insulate it) and I think you would do just fine.
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Chris, I have one more suggestion. A few weeks back in the email there was a link to a cool sight that shows you how to built directional antennae. That same site had a link as to how to make an indoor router into an outdoor one. You might try turning those pair of cheap routers into two outdoor ones that end up meeting your needs. Darren
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How about you drill a hole in the wall and put standard routers outside so they escape the Faraday cages. All you got to do is build two boxes (think mailbox style, one per building) to protect it from the rain and your two outside routers can communicate without problem. Put one under the patio and the other near the electricity counter or something and MLW won't even know it's there. Just make sure there is no condensation (don't insulate it) and I think you would do just fine.
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...is to make suggestions about how to fix my network. I have a 1Gbps network both in the house and in my office, 25 metres away, but only one ADSL line. Normally, when I finish work I just swap the ADSL line from my office router to a buried telephone line up to the house router, so MrsLadyWife can watch TV, surf the web etc. In the summer we are usually outside, and don't watch TV. Now that winter is upon us, MLW wants to watch TV before I finish work, so I want to leave the line connected to the house, and put in a wireless link from window to window, plugged into each local switch. The restrains are: 0. No line of sight from router to router (house router must be 'hidden' :mad:) 1. No option of an external cable - too many trees in the way, stone patio etc. 2. For reasons of construction, both house and office are essentially Faraday cages. I have been playing with a Linksys Wireless-G Range Expander WRE54G, but the model I have does not have an RJ-45 socket, and also they don't talk prettily to non-Linksys routers. It also only has WEP, so someone could steal all my codez! :omg: I need a pair of cheap wireless N bridges that plug into a switch/router, so I can post on codeproject work while MLW is watching TV. Any ideas? - I have bingled and bungled with no success, unless I want to spend about $6,000.
I'd get a couple of APs and two of those flat panel WiFi antennas. They work well and are fairly unobtrusive. Mount the two antennas facing each other on the outside of both buildings. Alternative: You could mount a couple of whip antennas on both roofs.
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Thanks for the suggestion - normally it would be a good way to go. Unfortunately the ADSL box in the house is a 'special' that gets subscription TV over the internet, and it must be hardwired into both the ADSL and the set top box, using a specific RJ45 port. Thus the telephone line into the house must go directly into this modem/router. There is no room in the trunking to run a reverse cable.
Do you need the phone-line in the office? Why not disconnect the line from the landline in the house and run the network over the existing cable? I seem to remember that you can get ethernet over phone-line adapters - but no idea where or what they're called.
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Do you need the phone-line in the office? Why not disconnect the line from the landline in the house and run the network over the existing cable? I seem to remember that you can get ethernet over phone-line adapters - but no idea where or what they're called.
A nice idea, but unfortunately the telephone line comes into the office first, and then goes up to the house. You can get DSL devices for home use, so I could have done it this way, except that the set-top box must be run directly off a special port on the SP's router. This means that I would have had to run a second telephone wire back down to the office to get it all to work. In the end I bought a pair of Intellinet 300N access points, and configured them point to point, MAC address to MAC address, with WPA II encryption. With a couple of external antennae, all that is visible are the antennae sitting on the window sills. It works very well, with no speed loss on the ADSL connection, and MLT can watch TV while I am working. RESULT! :)
