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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    Sorry, but I kind of agree with their stance. They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.


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    TheMelEntity
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    That's not what they would be doing. They would be allowing someone who is interested in Android to publish a magazine on Android which would be used by consumers of their own product. I mean, FFS! It's ludicrous. What you're saying is analogous to saying that Microsoft should feel OK about blocking Internet Explorer users from accessing apple.com using their browser because then they would be "advertising a rival product". Nuh-uh. Not buying that argument.

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    • N Nagy Vilmos

      Sorry, but I kind of agree with their stance. They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.


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      Mark_Wallace
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      Nagy Vilmos wrote:

      They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.

      When did censoring the material that people are allowed to read go from being totally unacceptable behaviour to good corporate practice? I'll subscribe to whatever newspapers, magazines, e-zines, feeds, and e-mail lists I damned well want to. The idea of a private company assuming the right to censor my reading material in such a way goes far beyond the pale.

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        http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/29/apple_vs_android_on_ipad/ Yeah, Apple, you're so "nice" and "friendly" with your roundy corners and funky ads. I think this is unacceptable. It's taking things too far by half.

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        There are quite a few postings in CP with anti-apple sentiments. Perhaps the iphone (and that bigger iphone thing that can't make phone calls) should have an IP-address block, to prevent CP being displayed.

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        • M Mark_Wallace

          There are quite a few postings in CP with anti-apple sentiments. Perhaps the iphone (and that bigger iphone thing that can't make phone calls) should have an IP-address block, to prevent CP being displayed.

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          TheMelEntity
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          True, and normally I desist, I mean I own an iPhone and I think it's a cool piece of kit. But that is way over the top and can't be justified on any grounds as far as I am concerned.

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          • M Mark_Wallace

            Nagy Vilmos wrote:

            They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.

            When did censoring the material that people are allowed to read go from being totally unacceptable behaviour to good corporate practice? I'll subscribe to whatever newspapers, magazines, e-zines, feeds, and e-mail lists I damned well want to. The idea of a private company assuming the right to censor my reading material in such a way goes far beyond the pale.

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            Electron Shepherd
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            Mark Wallace wrote:

            When did censoring the material that people are allowed to read go from being totally unacceptable behaviour to good corporate practice?

            They aren't censoring it, they are saying they don't want to sell it. Censorship is when you are prevented from reading it. This is completely different.

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            • T TheMelEntity

              http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/29/apple_vs_android_on_ipad/ Yeah, Apple, you're so "nice" and "friendly" with your roundy corners and funky ads. I think this is unacceptable. It's taking things too far by half.

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              Nice publicity for the mag. Probably no one knew about the mag, now many people know about it because of this incident.

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                Mark Wallace wrote:

                When did censoring the material that people are allowed to read go from being totally unacceptable behaviour to good corporate practice?

                They aren't censoring it, they are saying they don't want to sell it. Censorship is when you are prevented from reading it. This is completely different.

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                Electron Shepherd wrote:

                Censorship is when you are prevented from reading it. This is completely different.

                Denying you access to something doesn't prevent you from reading it? A curious viewpoint.

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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  Nice publicity for the mag. Probably no one knew about the mag, now many people know about it because of this incident.

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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  Nice publicity for the mag. Probably no one knew about the mag, now many people know about it because of this incident.

                  Yup. Hopefully, everyone will now download it from elsewhere, read it, and say "You can do That with Android?!? Wow, I can't do that on my piece of cr@p idud!" They'll find plenty of reasons to.

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                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                    Sorry, but I kind of agree with their stance. They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.


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                    Should a maker of TVs build in software to prevent the adverts of other makers of TVs from being shown on their TVs?

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                    • L Lost User

                      Should a maker of TVs build in software to prevent the adverts of other makers of TVs from being shown on their TVs?

                      Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                      Yes please!

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                      • M Mark_Wallace

                        Electron Shepherd wrote:

                        Censorship is when you are prevented from reading it. This is completely different.

                        Denying you access to something doesn't prevent you from reading it? A curious viewpoint.

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                        Electron Shepherd
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                        1. Go to your local baker or butcher 2. Try to buy the latest best-selling novel 3. When the baker / butcher says they don't sell it, accuse them of censorship Important point: It's available elsewhere

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                          1. Go to your local baker or butcher 2. Try to buy the latest best-selling novel 3. When the baker / butcher says they don't sell it, accuse them of censorship Important point: It's available elsewhere

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                          Mark_Wallace
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                          Are you somehow suffering from the delusion that the remit of bakers and butchers is to DELIVER INFORMATION?

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            Are you somehow suffering from the delusion that the remit of bakers and butchers is to DELIVER INFORMATION?

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                            Electron Shepherd
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                            Mark Wallace wrote:

                            Are you somehow suffering from the delusion that the remit of bakers and butchers is to DELIVER INFORMATION?

                            No, I'm not. Are you somehow suffering from the delusion that a company cannot decide what it does and doesn't sell? Apple have made a commercial decision not to sell something. That's their right. It's a commercial decision. It is not censorship.

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                              1. Go to your local baker or butcher 2. Try to buy the latest best-selling novel 3. When the baker / butcher says they don't sell it, accuse them of censorship Important point: It's available elsewhere

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                              Lost User
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                              So censorship is impossible. Whatever it is, it will be available in an other country

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                                So censorship is impossible. Whatever it is, it will be available in an other country

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                                Electron Shepherd
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                                One company deciding not to sell one publication is not censorship.

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                                • N Nagy Vilmos

                                  Sorry, but I kind of agree with their stance. They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.


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                                  Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                  Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                  They don't want to advertise a rival product on their product.

                                  It's not *their* product, after I buy it, it's MY product, and I decide what I subscribe to in it. If you buy a Samsung TV, would it be left to Samsung to decide if or not to display a Panasonic TV advert in it? I've paid for the TV, so I'll watch whatever I want to in it. [Add] Just noticed someone else said the same thing! [/Add] Surprisingly, they'll get away with all this crap, because apple fans are complete imbeciles.

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                                    One of the many reasons I would never buy anything like an IPhone or IPad, because Apple are such pigs. I would also never buy anything with Android on it, because despite Android being Linux based a lot of devices with Android on are so restrictive, which I would find really irritating.


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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                    Lloyd Atkinson wrote:

                                    One of the many reasons I would never buy anything like an IPhone or IPad, because Apple are such pigs.

                                    Completely agreed!

                                    Lloyd Atkinson wrote:

                                    I would also never buy anything with Android on it, because despite Android being Linux based a lot of devices with Android on are so restrictive, which I would find really irritating.

                                    Root the damn thing! :)

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                                    • E Electron Shepherd

                                      One company deciding not to sell one publication is not censorship.

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Maybe not, I wasn't saying it is, though if I think about it this situation is a little suspicious. It seems to me like they specifically crafted a busyness model that would make their censorship "technically not censorship" - in other words, they found a loophole.

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                                      • T TheMelEntity

                                        http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/29/apple_vs_android_on_ipad/ Yeah, Apple, you're so "nice" and "friendly" with your roundy corners and funky ads. I think this is unacceptable. It's taking things too far by half.

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                                        Isn't the main problem with Apple's rejection of apps that they don't tell you why they did so, and it often seems arbitrary? I think the author here is assuming it was rejected because of the content, but it's possible his app looks like garbage, violates some dictated iOS UI standard or his icon isn't shiny enough. I bet Apple caves to the bad press (if it's anywhere other than here) and allows the thing, saying, "See? It's crap!" Just guessing. I just want to make sure we label Apple evil for the right reasons.


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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Should a maker of TVs build in software to prevent the adverts of other makers of TVs from being shown on their TVs?

                                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                                          Nagy Vilmos
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                                          What about ITV advertising BBC? That's more the spirit of why I can see there point.


                                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre

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