My Wife Almost Shot Someone This Morning
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Yeah, you can - if you're swimming, or you're on fire.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Europe has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling unarmed citizens. And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices? You're Italian? Who makes Barreta's?
wizardzz wrote:
Who makes Barreta's?
It's Beretta... :) I don't know who makes Barretas...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
wizardzz wrote:
Who makes Barreta's?
It's Beretta... :) I don't know who makes Barretas...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Europe has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling unarmed citizens. And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices? You're Italian? Who makes Barreta's?
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It depends on where you live. Based on John's earlier threads, there are few suspicious/dodgy types in his neighborhood. I'd probably have moved by now, but John and family apparently just like to live there. :~
Regards, Nish
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Why should *I* move. When given a choice between fight or flight, I'll pick the first one pretty much every time, especially if I have the tactical advantage, which I pretty much have all the time. It's called prparation and situational awareness.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
The USA has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling armed citizens. And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices? You're USian? What's your point?
My point is Hitler and Mussolini would never rise to power and commit the acts they did in to a heavily armed group of citizens, like we proudly have here. My point regarding public office was in regard to your statement: I think it is sad to live in such a perpetual mistrust. We live in a state of mistrust because we are aware and pretty honest about the corruptions in office. I think it's sad that you think it's a sad thing.
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The USA has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling armed citizens. And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices? You're USian? What's your point?
harold aptroot wrote:
The USA has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling armed citizens.
I wouldn't call the Brady Campaign a bunch of dictators... The only thing keeping our government from controlling armed citizens is that if they tried, those very same armed citizens would probably rebel, and the government would have a real mess on its hands.
harold aptroot wrote:
And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices?
That's always been the case - everywhere.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
harold aptroot wrote:
The USA has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling armed citizens.
I wouldn't call the Brady Campaign a bunch of dictators... The only thing keeping our government from controlling armed citizens is that if they tried, those very same armed citizens would probably rebel, and the government would have a real mess on its hands.
harold aptroot wrote:
And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices?
That's always been the case - everywhere.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
My point is Hitler and Mussolini would never rise to power and commit the acts they did in to a heavily armed group of citizens, like we proudly have here. My point regarding public office was in regard to your statement: I think it is sad to live in such a perpetual mistrust. We live in a state of mistrust because we are aware and pretty honest about the corruptions in office. I think it's sad that you think it's a sad thing.
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Sure they would have. They were elected, remember? They didn't seize control against the will of The People.
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harold aptroot wrote:
The USA has a fairly recent history of dictators controlling armed citizens.
I wouldn't call the Brady Campaign a bunch of dictators... The only thing keeping our government from controlling armed citizens is that if they tried, those very same armed citizens would probably rebel, and the government would have a real mess on its hands.
harold aptroot wrote:
And in more recent times, heavily armed syndicates corrupting public offices?
That's always been the case - everywhere.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Yea the army vs a couple of armed riots, that'll be messy alright.. So what is the govt doing now, if not controlling you? Stealing your money and giving it to sick people? (aka 'a Health-care System') Telling you what you can't do? (laws?)
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It is foolish to criticize people whose shoes you have not walked in. Violence from drug runners and other criminals is a serious danger in the US, particularly in the Southwest. Criminals are usually heavily armed, and don't hesitate to kill, much less lie about their "business".
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So, you think it would've been just as easy to commit the Holocaust against a heavily armed citizenry?
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Most of us get by every day without needing to mechanically enhance their manhood like you seem to.
Your prejudice is showing, as is your rudeness. FYI, I don't own a handgun, nor do I care to. I don't however, bash those who do feel their situation requires that for their safety. You should check your asshole quotient. It seems to have climbed recently.
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So they would have had tanks? Hitler would have sustained more casualties, that's all. A bunch of people with guns is not an army. And most of them would probably have chosen to go with them and Maybe survive, rather than fight and die for sure.
Ok, so even with your assumptions of the behavior of those who have gone before us. What do you think the armed citizens of the US would do if faced with the same situation here? The only thing "going with" did back then, was make it easier for the Nazi's to dispose of the bodies.
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Yea the army vs a couple of armed riots, that'll be messy alright.. So what is the govt doing now, if not controlling you? Stealing your money and giving it to sick people? (aka 'a Health-care System') Telling you what you can't do? (laws?)
Yea the army vs a couple of armed riots, that'll be messy alright.. Sounds like the American Revolution? I think you are vastly underestimating how trained and armed this country's citizens are. And I live in a Blue state where we can't even carry concealed firearms.
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I think this is a "normal" story for US citizens, where it is so simple to buy and own guns... It seems to me that you're fanatical in expecting the worse from everything that happens. Also the way your wife handled the affair by going directly to the gun even before the poor guy stated his business is a sign of a different way of thinking between europeans and americans. I think it is sad to live in such a perpetual mistrust. Cheers
federico.strati wrote:
I think it is sad to live in such a perpetual mistrust.
Have you seen the statistics on rape crimes? Over 10% (might be much higher, depending on your location) will be raped in their lifetime. I don't know about you, but I don't like those odds. And that's just one category of crime. It may be sad, but it also seems prudent.
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So she was expecting someone at 7 am, but 6:45 was suspicious. And what is a foreman supposed to look like, a businessman? He is going on your roof, in December. He even identified himself as the foreman, and was just 15 minutes early. Would a shady character from down the block break into the companies computers, check their schedule, find the first house of the day, then impersonate the foreman 15 minutes prior to the real foreman showing up to commit some crime? It seems like maybe she just needs an excuse to use the 9mm? Tip, if he starts asking about honeybees, fire at will.
wizardzz wrote:
So she was expecting someone at 7 am, but 6:45 was suspicious.
She wasn't *expecting* anyone to be there when she left. I already explained our experience with contractors - they've been less than reliable regarding promised appearances. We had no reason to think this experience would be any different. He essentially came out of nowhere, didn't identify himself until she asked him who he was, and was walking toward her out of the dark. His truck wasn't parked in view of the garage door, so she didn't know who this person could have been. I think she handled it just fine. There have been plenty of times when someone shows up to perform some sort of work, and after discovering that a woman is home alone, decides to take advantage of the situation. I gave my wife the knowledge, training, and equipment to defend herself because I can't always be there to do it for her. It's certainly not our fault that some people simply can't control their criminal urges.
wizardzz wrote:
It seems like maybe she just needs an excuse to use the 9mm?
How do you come up with that? She never even drew the pistol from her purse.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Ok, so even with your assumptions of the behavior of those who have gone before us. What do you think the armed citizens of the US would do if faced with the same situation here? The only thing "going with" did back then, was make it easier for the Nazi's to dispose of the bodies.
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wizardzz wrote:
So she was expecting someone at 7 am, but 6:45 was suspicious.
She wasn't *expecting* anyone to be there when she left. I already explained our experience with contractors - they've been less than reliable regarding promised appearances. We had no reason to think this experience would be any different. He essentially came out of nowhere, didn't identify himself until she asked him who he was, and was walking toward her out of the dark. His truck wasn't parked in view of the garage door, so she didn't know who this person could have been. I think she handled it just fine. There have been plenty of times when someone shows up to perform some sort of work, and after discovering that a woman is home alone, decides to take advantage of the situation. I gave my wife the knowledge, training, and equipment to defend herself because I can't always be there to do it for her. It's certainly not our fault that some people simply can't control their criminal urges.
wizardzz wrote:
It seems like maybe she just needs an excuse to use the 9mm?
How do you come up with that? She never even drew the pistol from her purse.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001I completely agree with your second paragraph. As far as my cited sentence. You noted her safety was off, whether brandished or not, she clearly had the drop on the guy and to me turning the safety off is pretty much intent to use it. I will be honest, I speak from some experience, I had to see a family member face a murder trial for killing a robber he believed was armed. He truly acted in self defense, and it forced him to relocate, face death threats, etc. I am a gun ownership advocate, and she handled it well because nobody was injured, I just think she was possibly jumpy to pop the safety off, that's probably just a matter of opinion and difference in training.
