My Wife Almost Shot Someone This Morning
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Yea the army vs a couple of armed riots, that'll be messy alright.. Sounds like the American Revolution? I think you are vastly underestimating how trained and armed this country's citizens are. And I live in a Blue state where we can't even carry concealed firearms.
And the American Revolution as an example of "The People fighting The Man" oh please. They were organized. Obviously not the work of a couple of armed citizens. How about the French revolution then? They won by sheer numbers, not trainedness or armedness. That wouldn't work anymore these days, due to the advance in weapons technology. And neither of these revolutions have anything to do with the Holocaust you mentioned somewhere else - a small subset of the population is of course much easier to fight than Everyone
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Most of us get by every day without needing to mechanically enhance their manhood like you seem to.
You must live in Chicago. I hear that's the safest city in the country because they don't allow anyone to own a handgun.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Well you tell me - organize a resistance that is effective against the US Army, using a couple of handguns and a limited supply of ammunition, and sit out a 5-year siege with only the supplies from their houses?
The armed, freedom loving citizens are the same people you are proposing as an occupational force. BTW, I know many citizens with military grade AR's and sniper rifles. The irony is, this is in Obama's home city, one of the bluest of them all. This is getting irrelevant; by the internet standards the argument was lost when I brought up Nazis. Maybe you can start a new post in the anything goes forum.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Yea the army vs a couple of armed riots, that'll be messy alright..
235 years ago, the British made the same wrong assumption... Just like in 1776, MANY of the citizens are ex-military, trained by the very government that is tryign to oppress them. The British assumed that many of thse citizens would remain loyal to The Crown, but as history shows, that wasn't the case. And just in case you think that the technological might wielded by the armed forces would over-power mere civilians with guns, look at the trouble they're having in the middle east as a prime example of what they'd be facing here, and then multiple that by about ten.
harold aptroot wrote:
So what is the govt doing now, if not controlling you? Stealing your money and giving it to sick people? (aka 'a Health-care System') Telling you what you can't do? (laws?)
Obama-care is unconstitutional, and the courts are just now gettign a hold of that. Problem solved. Well, the system is the system, and it's certainly flawed, but better than the alternatives. When enough people (or enough of the right people, depending on how you look at it) get tired of the status quo, things change - sometimes violently so.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Your prejudice is showing, as is your rudeness. FYI, I don't own a handgun, nor do I care to. I don't however, bash those who do feel their situation requires that for their safety. You should check your asshole quotient. It seems to have climbed recently.
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Joe Simes wrote:
He had a Dirty Harry gun. Not sure what that is but it was big and loud and he kept it under his bed at night.
Most guns are loud, and a lot are "big". That's so you can use it as a club if you run out of ammo.
Joe Simes wrote:
One night his 4 year old brother got up for a bathroom break. My friend who was a little drunk and not asleep yet almost shot his brother in the kitchen!!
He has a 4-year-old brother livinng in the same house, but he keeps his gun under his bed? Your friend wasn't anything more than stupid and dangerous. He had no business owning a gun if he wasn't ensuring it was inaccessible by a child. Further, owning a gun pretty much precludes one from the priviledge of being even "a little" drunk.
Joe Simes wrote:
Scary stuff.
In that situation, yes, very scary stuff.
Joe Simes wrote:
and hate the attitude on most of the fundamental Christian/ex-military folks I work with which is "Shoot first ask questions later."
Well, were not christians - fundamental or otherwise - and my wife isn't ex military, and I am ex-Navy ith very little exposure to small arms as a rsult of my service. In fact, until today, she only carried her pistol because *I* insisted that she did. After this morning, her attitude will most certainly have changed. And if someone is properly trained, the "shoot first" concept doesn't even cross their minds. IMHO she did it exactly right. Even though she was startled by the presence on an unknown person with undetermnined intentions, she kept her cool and everybody walked away without any extra holes they weren't born with. It's certainly your right to hate guns, and I applaud you for desire to avoid their use, but me and mine are a bit more pragmatic about the whole thing. We certainly don't want to have to shoot anyone - for any reason - but if it came down to it...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Joe Simes wrote:
She said you would be horrified to know how many people are actually carrying handguns!
Horrified? Really? Since when should law-abiding citizens relinquish their right to self defense simply because it horrifies another citizen? I'm "horrified" that an American would think that their own illusion of discomfort overrides my rights. I have never ONCE heard of a gun owner insisting that everyone else must own a gun to make him/her feel more comfortable. EDIT ---------------- I would defend - to the death - my right to keep/bear arms, as well as your right to not have to. In fact, I've already done my time in defense of your rights - and mine. It would be pointless to give up the fight, and would diminish the efforts by others to make sure we still have rights to fight for.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:45 PM
She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
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No, but forcing people to purchase health insurance might be. I'm not saying it's "bad," "immoral," or "wrong." I'm saying it might be against the constitution for the government to force people to make a purchase. And if the SCOTUS agrees, then they'll just have to reword it to something like "Tax rate for everyone goes up by $X, but if you have health insurance, you get a $X tax credit." Same effect, but without the legal ambiguity. EDIT: It's just that little piece of the health care legislation that one judge found unconstitutional, not the whole thing.
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wizardzz wrote:
Who makes Barreta's?
It's Beretta... :) I don't know who makes Barretas...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
I completely agree with your second paragraph. As far as my cited sentence. You noted her safety was off, whether brandished or not, she clearly had the drop on the guy and to me turning the safety off is pretty much intent to use it. I will be honest, I speak from some experience, I had to see a family member face a murder trial for killing a robber he believed was armed. He truly acted in self defense, and it forced him to relocate, face death threats, etc. I am a gun ownership advocate, and she handled it well because nobody was injured, I just think she was possibly jumpy to pop the safety off, that's probably just a matter of opinion and difference in training.
If you are in a "threat" situation then it is kind of hard to fire the gun with the safety on. If she had to fire her weapon in self-defense it wouldn't have fired because the fucking safety was on and she would have been hurt/killed. You never have the safety on in a "threat" situation...never. Your finger is off the trigger and the weapon is ready to fire. That is how it is done.
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She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
Joe Simes wrote:
Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around.
They are the ones that need weapons because they aren't going to be able to defend themselves if someone attacks them. They are helpless and they need a simple tool to defend themselves. It is real easy to pull a trigger. Operating a gun is much easier than operating a garden hose by the way.
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I don't begrudge anyone's right to own a gun but I do wish the screening process was a bit more thorough to keep people like my friend from having a gun under his bed.
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If you are in a "threat" situation then it is kind of hard to fire the gun with the safety on. If she had to fire her weapon in self-defense it wouldn't have fired because the fucking safety was on and she would have been hurt/killed. You never have the safety on in a "threat" situation...never. Your finger is off the trigger and the weapon is ready to fire. That is how it is done.
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She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
Joe Simes wrote:
You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice.
Better clarify: on public roads. On your own property, you can drive whatever you want, with or without training and license. Also useful for running down suspicious strangers should they fail to properly identify themselves.
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Thanks for clearing that up Slacker. I've never been faced with a "threat" situation, nor had tactical training for such.
It's Ok. Sorry if I sounded a little "heated up". I can get that way sometimes. :)
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She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
Joe Simes wrote:
You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice.
Intense? Anyone can buy a car, and being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy.
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"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
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It's Ok. Sorry if I sounded a little "heated up". I can get that way sometimes. :)
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Joe Simes wrote:
You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice.
Intense? Anyone can buy a car, and being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
DavidCrow wrote:
being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy
It's not as intense as CISSP certification but come on, you do have to go through Driver's Education. Sit in a classroom, log a specific amount of practice hours and pass a written exam and a driving exam before you are allowed to drive (yes on public roads)!
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We use our garage to go in and out of the house (because it's easier than pulling out and fumbling with the keys necessary to use the front door). My wife leaves for work at around 6:45AM (when it's still dark). This morning, as she was leaving the house, a guy appeared from behind the hedges that border our property, and started walking up our driveway towards my wife. When she saw him, she immediately stuck her hand in her purse, and flipped the safety off on her 9mm pistol, but kept the gun in her hand and in her purse. At the same time, she told the guy to stop where he was. Luckily for him, he did. He claimed that he was the foreman that was going to oversee the repairs to our hail-damaged roof this morning. My wife commanded him to return to his truck and prove the veracity of his claim, and he retreated and returned to the same point in the driveway where he had originally stoppped walking, and he had a clipboard that clearly had a work order with the correct company name on it. She told him to put the clipboard on the driveway, walk backwards to the street, and wait for her to inspect the work order. After verifying that he was who he claimed, she asked him to stay at the foot of the driveway while she got in her car (which was also in the driveway, but closer to the house than the street). As she backed out, she stopped, opened the window a little, and asked the guy why he didn't park in front of the house. It seems he wanted to leave room for the actual work truck that was on the way. I don't know why, but contractors in San Antonio have a real bad habit of either showing up late, or not showing up at all. Being used to that, my wife wasn't expecting the roofers to be at our house at the promised time (7AM), much less 15 minutes early. Oh yeah, the direction he came from was the house where the less-than-savory characters live, and she said the guy looked like a street person. I'm happy to see that my advice/training efforts paid off. It could have ended very badly for the guy, because my wife is a VERY good shot with a pistol.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work oJohn Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't know why, but contractors in San Antonio have a real bad habit of either showing up late, or not showing up at all. Being used to that, my wife wasn't expecting the roofers to be at our house at the promised time (7AM), much less 15 minutes early.
I think I know what happened here, the ones that showed up on time all got shot.
