My Wife Almost Shot Someone This Morning
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wizardzz wrote:
Who makes Barreta's?
It's Beretta... :) I don't know who makes Barretas...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
I completely agree with your second paragraph. As far as my cited sentence. You noted her safety was off, whether brandished or not, she clearly had the drop on the guy and to me turning the safety off is pretty much intent to use it. I will be honest, I speak from some experience, I had to see a family member face a murder trial for killing a robber he believed was armed. He truly acted in self defense, and it forced him to relocate, face death threats, etc. I am a gun ownership advocate, and she handled it well because nobody was injured, I just think she was possibly jumpy to pop the safety off, that's probably just a matter of opinion and difference in training.
If you are in a "threat" situation then it is kind of hard to fire the gun with the safety on. If she had to fire her weapon in self-defense it wouldn't have fired because the fucking safety was on and she would have been hurt/killed. You never have the safety on in a "threat" situation...never. Your finger is off the trigger and the weapon is ready to fire. That is how it is done.
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She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
Joe Simes wrote:
Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around.
They are the ones that need weapons because they aren't going to be able to defend themselves if someone attacks them. They are helpless and they need a simple tool to defend themselves. It is real easy to pull a trigger. Operating a gun is much easier than operating a garden hose by the way.
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I don't begrudge anyone's right to own a gun but I do wish the screening process was a bit more thorough to keep people like my friend from having a gun under his bed.
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If you are in a "threat" situation then it is kind of hard to fire the gun with the safety on. If she had to fire her weapon in self-defense it wouldn't have fired because the fucking safety was on and she would have been hurt/killed. You never have the safety on in a "threat" situation...never. Your finger is off the trigger and the weapon is ready to fire. That is how it is done.
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She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
Joe Simes wrote:
You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice.
Better clarify: on public roads. On your own property, you can drive whatever you want, with or without training and license. Also useful for running down suspicious strangers should they fail to properly identify themselves.
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Thanks for clearing that up Slacker. I've never been faced with a "threat" situation, nor had tactical training for such.
It's Ok. Sorry if I sounded a little "heated up". I can get that way sometimes. :)
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She was horrified by the actual people. All of our neighbors. Some folks that have a hard time working a garden hose are toting weapons around. That is the horrifying part, like I said in your other response I don't want to take anyone's rights away, I just want to make sure they are responsible enough to deal with a fire arm. You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice. Why should you just have to fill out a slip of paper to get a permit to carry a lethal weapon?
Joe Simes wrote:
You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice.
Intense? Anyone can buy a car, and being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
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It's Ok. Sorry if I sounded a little "heated up". I can get that way sometimes. :)
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Joe Simes wrote:
You are not allowed to just purchase a car and drive without going through some fairly intensive training and practice.
Intense? Anyone can buy a car, and being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
DavidCrow wrote:
being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy
It's not as intense as CISSP certification but come on, you do have to go through Driver's Education. Sit in a classroom, log a specific amount of practice hours and pass a written exam and a driving exam before you are allowed to drive (yes on public roads)!
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We use our garage to go in and out of the house (because it's easier than pulling out and fumbling with the keys necessary to use the front door). My wife leaves for work at around 6:45AM (when it's still dark). This morning, as she was leaving the house, a guy appeared from behind the hedges that border our property, and started walking up our driveway towards my wife. When she saw him, she immediately stuck her hand in her purse, and flipped the safety off on her 9mm pistol, but kept the gun in her hand and in her purse. At the same time, she told the guy to stop where he was. Luckily for him, he did. He claimed that he was the foreman that was going to oversee the repairs to our hail-damaged roof this morning. My wife commanded him to return to his truck and prove the veracity of his claim, and he retreated and returned to the same point in the driveway where he had originally stoppped walking, and he had a clipboard that clearly had a work order with the correct company name on it. She told him to put the clipboard on the driveway, walk backwards to the street, and wait for her to inspect the work order. After verifying that he was who he claimed, she asked him to stay at the foot of the driveway while she got in her car (which was also in the driveway, but closer to the house than the street). As she backed out, she stopped, opened the window a little, and asked the guy why he didn't park in front of the house. It seems he wanted to leave room for the actual work truck that was on the way. I don't know why, but contractors in San Antonio have a real bad habit of either showing up late, or not showing up at all. Being used to that, my wife wasn't expecting the roofers to be at our house at the promised time (7AM), much less 15 minutes early. Oh yeah, the direction he came from was the house where the less-than-savory characters live, and she said the guy looked like a street person. I'm happy to see that my advice/training efforts paid off. It could have ended very badly for the guy, because my wife is a VERY good shot with a pistol.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work oJohn Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't know why, but contractors in San Antonio have a real bad habit of either showing up late, or not showing up at all. Being used to that, my wife wasn't expecting the roofers to be at our house at the promised time (7AM), much less 15 minutes early.
I think I know what happened here, the ones that showed up on time all got shot.
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I don't begrudge anyone's right to own a gun but I do wish the screening process was a bit more thorough to keep people like my friend from having a gun under his bed.
Screening only prevents felons and crazies from legally owning a gun. The background check doesn't sreen for "stupid".
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
DavidCrow wrote:
being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy
It's not as intense as CISSP certification but come on, you do have to go through Driver's Education. Sit in a classroom, log a specific amount of practice hours and pass a written exam and a driving exam before you are allowed to drive (yes on public roads)!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't know why, but contractors in San Antonio have a real bad habit of either showing up late, or not showing up at all. Being used to that, my wife wasn't expecting the roofers to be at our house at the promised time (7AM), much less 15 minutes early.
I think I know what happened here, the ones that showed up on time all got shot.
5. :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
We use our garage to go in and out of the house (because it's easier than pulling out and fumbling with the keys necessary to use the front door). My wife leaves for work at around 6:45AM (when it's still dark). This morning, as she was leaving the house, a guy appeared from behind the hedges that border our property, and started walking up our driveway towards my wife. When she saw him, she immediately stuck her hand in her purse, and flipped the safety off on her 9mm pistol, but kept the gun in her hand and in her purse. At the same time, she told the guy to stop where he was. Luckily for him, he did. He claimed that he was the foreman that was going to oversee the repairs to our hail-damaged roof this morning. My wife commanded him to return to his truck and prove the veracity of his claim, and he retreated and returned to the same point in the driveway where he had originally stoppped walking, and he had a clipboard that clearly had a work order with the correct company name on it. She told him to put the clipboard on the driveway, walk backwards to the street, and wait for her to inspect the work order. After verifying that he was who he claimed, she asked him to stay at the foot of the driveway while she got in her car (which was also in the driveway, but closer to the house than the street). As she backed out, she stopped, opened the window a little, and asked the guy why he didn't park in front of the house. It seems he wanted to leave room for the actual work truck that was on the way. I don't know why, but contractors in San Antonio have a real bad habit of either showing up late, or not showing up at all. Being used to that, my wife wasn't expecting the roofers to be at our house at the promised time (7AM), much less 15 minutes early. Oh yeah, the direction he came from was the house where the less-than-savory characters live, and she said the guy looked like a street person. I'm happy to see that my advice/training efforts paid off. It could have ended very badly for the guy, because my wife is a VERY good shot with a pistol.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work oI'd definitely double check the contractor's work after your wife treated him with such disrespect.
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Yeah, you can - if you're swimming, or you're on fire.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
I completely agree with your second paragraph. As far as my cited sentence. You noted her safety was off, whether brandished or not, she clearly had the drop on the guy and to me turning the safety off is pretty much intent to use it. I will be honest, I speak from some experience, I had to see a family member face a murder trial for killing a robber he believed was armed. He truly acted in self defense, and it forced him to relocate, face death threats, etc. I am a gun ownership advocate, and she handled it well because nobody was injured, I just think she was possibly jumpy to pop the safety off, that's probably just a matter of opinion and difference in training.
wizardzz wrote:
As far as my cited sentence. You noted her safety was off, whether brandished or not, she clearly had the drop on the guy and to me turning the safety off is pretty much intent to use it.
She did intend to use it if he situation escalated.
wizardzz wrote:
I had to see a family member face a murder trial for killing a robber he believed was armed. He truly acted in self defense, and it forced him to relocate, face death threats, etc. I am a gun ownership advocate, and she handled it well because nobody was injured, I just think she was possibly jumpy to pop the safety off, that's probably just a matter of opinion and difference in training.
Here in Texas, we have what's called the "Castle Doctrine". Among the things we can do is "stop the threat" if we think our life is in danger. When it's dark, and you can't determine if someone is armed, and if you think your life might be in danger, you have the right to stop the perceived threat. We also don't have a legal obligation to retreat from such a situation. That means you don't have to say "stop, or I'll shoot", nor do you have to try to remove yourself from the situation. In this case, it was dark, my wife was alone, an unknown male was advancing on her and and she didn't know his intentions. This fulfils all the legal requirements for a self-defense situation, and it would most likely have been determined to be a "good shoot".
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
DavidCrow wrote:
being licensed to drive is the epitome of easy
It's not as intense as CISSP certification but come on, you do have to go through Driver's Education. Sit in a classroom, log a specific amount of practice hours and pass a written exam and a driving exam before you are allowed to drive (yes on public roads)!
Joe Simes wrote:
...you do have to go through Driver's Education.
While that used to be required, now it's optional (if you want insurance discounts).
Joe Simes wrote:
Sit in a classroom, log a specific amount of practice hours and pass a written exam and a driving exam before you are allowed to drive (yes on public roads)!
This is what I had to do a few decades back, but not any more. Kids these days are not even required to parallel park, just drive a few miles and turn a few corners. And if you don't speak English, it's even easier. ;)
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
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wizardzz wrote:
As far as my cited sentence. You noted her safety was off, whether brandished or not, she clearly had the drop on the guy and to me turning the safety off is pretty much intent to use it.
She did intend to use it if he situation escalated.
wizardzz wrote:
I had to see a family member face a murder trial for killing a robber he believed was armed. He truly acted in self defense, and it forced him to relocate, face death threats, etc. I am a gun ownership advocate, and she handled it well because nobody was injured, I just think she was possibly jumpy to pop the safety off, that's probably just a matter of opinion and difference in training.
Here in Texas, we have what's called the "Castle Doctrine". Among the things we can do is "stop the threat" if we think our life is in danger. When it's dark, and you can't determine if someone is armed, and if you think your life might be in danger, you have the right to stop the perceived threat. We also don't have a legal obligation to retreat from such a situation. That means you don't have to say "stop, or I'll shoot", nor do you have to try to remove yourself from the situation. In this case, it was dark, my wife was alone, an unknown male was advancing on her and and she didn't know his intentions. This fulfils all the legal requirements for a self-defense situation, and it would most likely have been determined to be a "good shoot".
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001The Castle Doctrine is a nice thing. Unfortunately, in my state, which is also where the incident mentioned occurred, there is no such thing. It's left up to the prosecutor to choose pursue an idiotic waste of time and resources or not, and in this case he did. Needless to say, his peers acquitted him. Nonetheless, I wasn't bringing up the right to shoot, but the repercussions for defending yourself, even if legally justifiable. It's just fortunate that she didn't have to exercise her right, because the last thing you ever want is a family seeking justice for their relative (even if they were drugged out, armed burglars), believe me. Also, like I said to Slacker007, the opinion about safety usage is coming from myself, a person with no tactical background.
