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  • R Rob Philpott

    Oh, ok. In which case, I hate *both* of them.

    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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    Nish Nishant
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    :laugh:

    Regards, Nish


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    • W wizardzz

      It was recommended to me in a previous post regarding a coworker's use of under_score instead of underScore in the middle of variables. Someone recommended that I try StyleCop to settle our convention disputes.

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      moon_stick
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      How about the MS Naming Guidelines[^]??

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      • S Slacker007

        I never understood the need to for formatting software (I think that is what StyleCop is right?).

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        MrSpackle
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        I sometimes feel alone in this opinion, but I believe that source code readability is a very, very, close second place to code correctness. Anyone else?

        "Why look within yourself for THE TRUTH, when you're the one who's confused in the first place?" Mr. Spackle

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        • W wizardzz

          I started to check out StyleCop this morning. I'm not going to rant about every other rule it follows, but has anyone noticed that the file **.Designer.cs violates:

          SA1201: All methods must be placed after all fields.

          Windows creates this file. I think I'm done with StyleCop.

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          Ravi Sant
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          i hate the need for styling in first place.

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          • R Rob Philpott

            You really don't need a tool to police that. The accepted convention is camel case for variables, so under_score is simply wrong. Suggest (s)he reads a book or something.

            Regards, Rob Philpott.

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            Slacker007
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            Rob Philpott wrote:

            The accepted convention is camel case for variables, so under_score is simply wrong.

            That is your opinion. Microsoft begs to differ with their internal coding practices. I thought we killed this bird a few days ago.

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            • M MrSpackle

              I sometimes feel alone in this opinion, but I believe that source code readability is a very, very, close second place to code correctness. Anyone else?

              "Why look within yourself for THE TRUTH, when you're the one who's confused in the first place?" Mr. Spackle

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              Chris Losinger
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              me too. which is why i think LINQ is crap.

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              • S Slacker007

                Rob Philpott wrote:

                The accepted convention is camel case for variables, so under_score is simply wrong.

                That is your opinion. Microsoft begs to differ with their internal coding practices. I thought we killed this bird a few days ago.

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                Rob Philpott
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                Mine and everyone else I know - yes.

                Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                • R Ravi Sant

                  i hate the need for styling in first place.

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                  wizardzz
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                  I'll admit that I'm not a fan of all styling conventions, and I think when working on the same project as others, it's nice to just stay consistent. But the underscore in variable names is killing me, I didn't think it would bug me so much.

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    Not so much formatting as code styles and guidelines, like variable naming, comments, order of fields, methods etc.

                    Regards, Nish


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                    Slacker007
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                    Thanks for the correction. :)

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                    • R Rob Philpott

                      Mine and everyone else I know - yes.

                      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                      Electron Shepherd
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                      Since you like it, what's the rationale for starting just the first word with a lower case letter? Why is customerAccountNumber better than CustomerAccountNumber or strCustomerAccountNumber or lpszCustomerAccountNumber ?

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                      • S Slacker007

                        Thanks for the correction. :)

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        No problem :)

                        Regards, Nish


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                        • E Electron Shepherd

                          Since you like it, what's the rationale for starting just the first word with a lower case letter? Why is customerAccountNumber better than CustomerAccountNumber or strCustomerAccountNumber or lpszCustomerAccountNumber ?

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                          Rob Philpott
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                          Who knows? The point is convention. You can tell at a glance what you're dealing with (local/member/property etc). And if we all do things the same way it makes it easier to understand each other's code. A good thing surely.

                          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                          • N Nish Nishant

                            StyleCop is meant to be used on user-written source files. Do not use it on auto-generated files :-)

                            Regards, Nish


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                            realJSOP
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                            Hmmm, I always thought StyleCop was intended for the garbage can...

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                            • R Rob Philpott

                              Who knows? The point is convention. You can tell at a glance what you're dealing with (local/member/property etc). And if we all do things the same way it makes it easier to understand each other's code. A good thing surely.

                              Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                              Electron Shepherd
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                              Rob Philpott wrote:

                              Who knows? The point is convention.

                              And that's my point. All you're saying is that being consistent is good, and being able to identify scope from name is good. But that's not a justification for using camel case. I've never seen a good reason why it's "better" than other naming standards, and I think it's worse. My deliberately chosen example is something that is conventionally called a number, but in the real world is very ofen a mixture of letters and numbers, and so has to be represented as a string. Using the camel case standard, you somethings can't infer data type from the name, which to me seems a backward step.

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                              • N Nish Nishant

                                No problem :)

                                Regards, Nish


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                                Single Step Debugger
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                                self-satisfied swine :-D

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                                  Rob Philpott wrote:

                                  Who knows? The point is convention.

                                  And that's my point. All you're saying is that being consistent is good, and being able to identify scope from name is good. But that's not a justification for using camel case. I've never seen a good reason why it's "better" than other naming standards, and I think it's worse. My deliberately chosen example is something that is conventionally called a number, but in the real world is very ofen a mixture of letters and numbers, and so has to be represented as a string. Using the camel case standard, you somethings can't infer data type from the name, which to me seems a backward step.

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                                  Rob Philpott
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                                  Electron Shepherd wrote:

                                  But that's not a justification for using camel case.

                                  It absolutely is. Having a standard, even if its not very good is far better than everyone going off and doing their own thing. I never claimed camel case to be a good idea but it is the convention in the example given. Its a bit like suggesting you spell words the way they sound rather than the way they're spelled because it makes more sense.

                                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                    self-satisfied swine :-D

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                                    Nish Nishant
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                                    :laugh: -

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                                    • R Rob Philpott

                                      Electron Shepherd wrote:

                                      But that's not a justification for using camel case.

                                      It absolutely is. Having a standard, even if its not very good is far better than everyone going off and doing their own thing. I never claimed camel case to be a good idea but it is the convention in the example given. Its a bit like suggesting you spell words the way they sound rather than the way they're spelled because it makes more sense.

                                      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                      Electron Shepherd
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                                      Rob Philpott wrote:

                                      But that's not a justification for using camel case

                                      Rob Philpott wrote:

                                      It absolutely is.

                                      No, it's a justification for using a standard. It's not a justifcation for selecting camel case as that standard. Your point about "You can tell at a glance what you're dealing with (local/member/property etc). And if we all do things the same way it makes it easier to understand each other's code." are entirely valid, and I agree with them, but they apply just as much to Hungarian notation as camel case.

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                                        :laugh: -

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                                        Single Step Debugger
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                                        I know you have a nice sense of humor, that’s why I allow myself a crude jokes sometimes. :)

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                                        • E Electron Shepherd

                                          Rob Philpott wrote:

                                          But that's not a justification for using camel case

                                          Rob Philpott wrote:

                                          It absolutely is.

                                          No, it's a justification for using a standard. It's not a justifcation for selecting camel case as that standard. Your point about "You can tell at a glance what you're dealing with (local/member/property etc). And if we all do things the same way it makes it easier to understand each other's code." are entirely valid, and I agree with them, but they apply just as much to Hungarian notation as camel case.

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                                          Rob Philpott
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                                          Electron Shepherd wrote:

                                          But that's not a justification for using camel case

                                          Electron Shepherd wrote:

                                          It absolutely is.

                                          Electron Shepherd wrote:

                                          No, it's a justification for using a standard.

                                          Uh-huh. Ok it's not a justification for using camel case for its own merit, its justification for using camel case because that is the standard. Better?

                                          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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