UK Met Office, increasingly full of shit. [modified]
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In October the forecaster privately warned the Government - with whom it has a contract - that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.[^] OK, lets just say we believe them. oct 28, 2010 60 per cent to 80 per cent chance of warmer-than-average temperatures this winter, Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/208012/Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-Office/Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-Office#ixzz1AGxRrumi[^] Thats what they told us. Jan 2011 She also said the Met Office got “a lot of the communication wrong” this winter by predicting a mild winter before heavy snowfall brought much of the country to a standstill. [^] So she DIDNT know the Met office had warned Govt it was going to be a hard winter? Looks like their communicaiton problem is fairly endemic because either she is lying or doesnt know whats going on, or the first peiece is a fabrication, in which case the Met Office is lying. So they are some big lies here. The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October. And its head, Julia Slingo is either lying now, or didnt know her organisation lied intentionally to the entire country, or to the Telegraph recently. In which case she is either incompetent or hasnt the confidence of
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In October the forecaster privately warned the Government - with whom it has a contract - that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.[^] OK, lets just say we believe them. oct 28, 2010 60 per cent to 80 per cent chance of warmer-than-average temperatures this winter, Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/208012/Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-Office/Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-OfficeWinter-to-be-mild-predicts-Winter-to-be-mild-predicts-Met-Office#ixzz1AGxRrumi[^] Thats what they told us. Jan 2011 She also said the Met Office got “a lot of the communication wrong” this winter by predicting a mild winter before heavy snowfall brought much of the country to a standstill. [^] So she DIDNT know the Met office had warned Govt it was going to be a hard winter? Looks like their communicaiton problem is fairly endemic because either she is lying or doesnt know whats going on, or the first peiece is a fabrication, in which case the Met Office is lying. So they are some big lies here. The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October. And its head, Julia Slingo is either lying now, or didnt know her organisation lied intentionally to the entire country, or to the Telegraph recently. In which case she is either incompetent or hasnt the confidence of
fat_boy wrote:
So she DIDNT know the Met office had warned Govt it was going to be a hard winter?
No, I doubt that she did know, in February 2010[^], that in October 2010 The Met Office would warn the Government that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.
fat_boy wrote:
Looks like their communicaiton problem is fairly endemic because either she is lying or doesnt know whats going on, or the first peiece is a fabrication, in which case the Met Office is lying.
Or you did not look at the date line. Link 1: Met Office 'kept winter forecast secret from public'; 04 Jan 2011 Link 2: WINTER TO BE MILD PREDICTS MET OFFICE; 28 Oct 2010 Link 3: Fisking Professor Julia Slingo of the Met Office; 06 Feb 2010 (Where did you get Jan 2011?).
fat_boy wrote:
So they are some big lies here.
No, just your crap research, Tub.
fat_boy wrote:
The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October.
Not on this evidence.
fat_boy wrote:
And its head, Julia Slingo is either lying now, or didnt know her organisation lied intentionally to the entire country, or to the Telegraph recently. In which case she is either incompetent or hasnt the confidence of her organisaiton and is herself lied to.
She's incompetent? Hah!
fat_boy wrote:
Anyway you look at it, for a public body, funded by the tax payer, whose job is to provide the tax payer with accurate weather forecasts, its a f***ing disaster.
Anyway you look at it, this post is a f***ing disaster.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
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fat_boy wrote:
So she DIDNT know the Met office had warned Govt it was going to be a hard winter?
No, I doubt that she did know, in February 2010[^], that in October 2010 The Met Office would warn the Government that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.
fat_boy wrote:
Looks like their communicaiton problem is fairly endemic because either she is lying or doesnt know whats going on, or the first peiece is a fabrication, in which case the Met Office is lying.
Or you did not look at the date line. Link 1: Met Office 'kept winter forecast secret from public'; 04 Jan 2011 Link 2: WINTER TO BE MILD PREDICTS MET OFFICE; 28 Oct 2010 Link 3: Fisking Professor Julia Slingo of the Met Office; 06 Feb 2010 (Where did you get Jan 2011?).
fat_boy wrote:
So they are some big lies here.
No, just your crap research, Tub.
fat_boy wrote:
The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October.
Not on this evidence.
fat_boy wrote:
And its head, Julia Slingo is either lying now, or didnt know her organisation lied intentionally to the entire country, or to the Telegraph recently. In which case she is either incompetent or hasnt the confidence of her organisaiton and is herself lied to.
She's incompetent? Hah!
fat_boy wrote:
Anyway you look at it, for a public body, funded by the tax payer, whose job is to provide the tax payer with accurate weather forecasts, its a f***ing disaster.
Anyway you look at it, this post is a f***ing disaster.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
ict558 wrote:
Fisking Professor Julia Slingo of the Met Office; 06 Feb 2010 (Where did you get Jan 2011?).
Probably by following the link back to the original article[^] about Ms. Fisk. It does show the wrong date at the top of the page, but that's the fault of the Telegraph's webmaster, isn't it?
ict558 wrote:
fat_boy wrote: The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October. Not on this evidence.
I don't see how you can say that. Even the wrongly dated article hangs the Met Office out to dry for misleading the government and the BBC.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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fat_boy wrote:
accurate weather forecasts
I'm sorry, but isn't that an oxymoron. :)
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Thats pathetic Dave. Dont you find all this disturbing? As your new position as some kind of Tory government bod you need to pull your head out of your arse and start looking at this kind of thing because a lot of people in the UK are getting pissed off with the Met Offices lies, coverups, and screw ups.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
So she DIDNT know the Met office had warned Govt it was going to be a hard winter?
No, I doubt that she did know, in February 2010[^], that in October 2010 The Met Office would warn the Government that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.
fat_boy wrote:
Looks like their communicaiton problem is fairly endemic because either she is lying or doesnt know whats going on, or the first peiece is a fabrication, in which case the Met Office is lying.
Or you did not look at the date line. Link 1: Met Office 'kept winter forecast secret from public'; 04 Jan 2011 Link 2: WINTER TO BE MILD PREDICTS MET OFFICE; 28 Oct 2010 Link 3: Fisking Professor Julia Slingo of the Met Office; 06 Feb 2010 (Where did you get Jan 2011?).
fat_boy wrote:
So they are some big lies here.
No, just your crap research, Tub.
fat_boy wrote:
The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October.
Not on this evidence.
fat_boy wrote:
And its head, Julia Slingo is either lying now, or didnt know her organisation lied intentionally to the entire country, or to the Telegraph recently. In which case she is either incompetent or hasnt the confidence of her organisaiton and is herself lied to.
She's incompetent? Hah!
fat_boy wrote:
Anyway you look at it, for a public body, funded by the tax payer, whose job is to provide the tax payer with accurate weather forecasts, its a f***ing disaster.
Anyway you look at it, this post is a f***ing disaster.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
ict558 wrote:
No, I doubt that she did know, in February 2010[^], that in October 2010 The Met Office would warn the Government that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.
OK, thanks for pointing out the misleading date in the Telegraphs article. But even still, as the head of the Met Office had she already decided back in Feb 2010 to lie to the British public in Oct 2010 about winter 2010/2011 if indeed they did tell the government that this winter is to be cold? If not when, and who decided to lie to the British public? And if THIS is a lie, that in fact they DIDNT tell the govt any such thing and they actually thought we would have a warm winter then they got it so completely wrong, and have done for a number of years now, that their competence as weather forecasters had to be questioned. Like I said, take your pick from lies or incompetence. Its one of the two. And for a public funded body whose purpose is to provide a service to that public its a farce bordering on fraudulent.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Thats pathetic Dave. Dont you find all this disturbing? As your new position as some kind of Tory government bod you need to pull your head out of your arse and start looking at this kind of thing because a lot of people in the UK are getting pissed off with the Met Offices lies, coverups, and screw ups.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
You do know that he's going to be a local councillor don't you? It's the classic eunuch position - he gets to watch, without being able to do anything for real himself.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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ict558 wrote:
No, I doubt that she did know, in February 2010[^], that in October 2010 The Met Office would warn the Government that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.
OK, thanks for pointing out the misleading date in the Telegraphs article. But even still, as the head of the Met Office had she already decided back in Feb 2010 to lie to the British public in Oct 2010 about winter 2010/2011 if indeed they did tell the government that this winter is to be cold? If not when, and who decided to lie to the British public? And if THIS is a lie, that in fact they DIDNT tell the govt any such thing and they actually thought we would have a warm winter then they got it so completely wrong, and have done for a number of years now, that their competence as weather forecasters had to be questioned. Like I said, take your pick from lies or incompetence. Its one of the two. And for a public funded body whose purpose is to provide a service to that public its a farce bordering on fraudulent.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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You do know that he's going to be a local councillor don't you? It's the classic eunuch position - he gets to watch, without being able to do anything for real himself.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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This is weather forecasting for pete's sake, its not like its something life-threatening like running out of flu vaccine during a flu epidemic... ... oh wait. sh!t.
J4amieC wrote:
its not like its something life-threatening
Are you saying that weather isnt life threatening?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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J4amieC wrote:
its not like its something life-threatening
Are you saying that weather isnt life threatening?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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ict558 wrote:
No, I doubt that she did know, in February 2010[^], that in October 2010 The Met Office would warn the Government that Britain was likely to face an extremely cold winter.
OK, thanks for pointing out the misleading date in the Telegraphs article. But even still, as the head of the Met Office had she already decided back in Feb 2010 to lie to the British public in Oct 2010 about winter 2010/2011 if indeed they did tell the government that this winter is to be cold? If not when, and who decided to lie to the British public? And if THIS is a lie, that in fact they DIDNT tell the govt any such thing and they actually thought we would have a warm winter then they got it so completely wrong, and have done for a number of years now, that their competence as weather forecasters had to be questioned. Like I said, take your pick from lies or incompetence. Its one of the two. And for a public funded body whose purpose is to provide a service to that public its a farce bordering on fraudulent.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
OK, thanks for pointing out the misleading date in the Telegraphs article.
But your link was to an 'Autonomous Mind' blog, which was dated 06-Feb-2010. "But even still" - read the byline.
fat_boy wrote:
But even still, as the head of the Met Office had she already decided back in Feb 2010 to lie to the British public in Oct 2010 about winter 2010/2011 if indeed they did tell the government that this winter is to be cold?
Clutching at straws. What lie? The Met Office hushed it up[^] lie? Instead of a seasonal forecast, it [the Met Office] offered only monthly snapshots. Had anyone read those monthly snapshots, they would have checked their lagging and bought grit. And guess what the Met Office daily medium range forecasts predicted, prior to the cold spell, through November and up to Christmas? Severe weather. Some hush up. "We did brief the Cabinet Office in October on what we believed would be an exceptionally cold and long winter. Despite media claims to the contrary, the decision not to publish any more seasonal forecasts came after we undertook public research about the way in which we deliver the weather. It was the public who decided that a monthly outlook would be more useful than a seasonal forecast to give a general indication of what the weather will be like for the following month." "The Cabinet Office said that Met Office forecasts are shared 'as appropriate' but could not say if roads authorities, airports and water companies had been passed the explicit deep freeze alert." Officialese for 'we did not pass on the information'. So, government incompetence, or the Met Office? And who is lying here? The Met Office or the Media?[
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Oh, sorry. Didnt realise! :)
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
OK, thanks for pointing out the misleading date in the Telegraphs article.
But your link was to an 'Autonomous Mind' blog, which was dated 06-Feb-2010. "But even still" - read the byline.
fat_boy wrote:
But even still, as the head of the Met Office had she already decided back in Feb 2010 to lie to the British public in Oct 2010 about winter 2010/2011 if indeed they did tell the government that this winter is to be cold?
Clutching at straws. What lie? The Met Office hushed it up[^] lie? Instead of a seasonal forecast, it [the Met Office] offered only monthly snapshots. Had anyone read those monthly snapshots, they would have checked their lagging and bought grit. And guess what the Met Office daily medium range forecasts predicted, prior to the cold spell, through November and up to Christmas? Severe weather. Some hush up. "We did brief the Cabinet Office in October on what we believed would be an exceptionally cold and long winter. Despite media claims to the contrary, the decision not to publish any more seasonal forecasts came after we undertook public research about the way in which we deliver the weather. It was the public who decided that a monthly outlook would be more useful than a seasonal forecast to give a general indication of what the weather will be like for the following month." "The Cabinet Office said that Met Office forecasts are shared 'as appropriate' but could not say if roads authorities, airports and water companies had been passed the explicit deep freeze alert." Officialese for 'we did not pass on the information'. So, government incompetence, or the Met Office? And who is lying here? The Met Office or the Media?[
Ypu make a lot of noise, but not much sense. Can you in one simple paragraph sum up your argument?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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ict558 wrote:
Fisking Professor Julia Slingo of the Met Office; 06 Feb 2010 (Where did you get Jan 2011?).
Probably by following the link back to the original article[^] about Ms. Fisk. It does show the wrong date at the top of the page, but that's the fault of the Telegraph's webmaster, isn't it?
ict558 wrote:
fat_boy wrote: The Met Office is either lting now, or did lie to us bac in October. Not on this evidence.
I don't see how you can say that. Even the wrongly dated article hangs the Met Office out to dry for misleading the government and the BBC.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
Oakman wrote:
It does show the wrong date at the top of the page, but that's the fault of the Telegraph's webmaster, isn't it?
The byline is where you look for the author and date of an article. The date in the banner is today's date.
Oakman wrote:
Even the wrongly dated article hangs the Met Office out to dry for misleading the government and the BBC.
So their seasonal forecast was wrong, but then, no one in the UK has ever expected anything else. But now we have, or have not, AGW, and suddenly the weather is politicised. So the poor old Met Office, instead of being ridiculed as in the past, gets 'hung out to dry' for 'misleading' the government and the BBC. The Met Office has the added disadvantage that its communications reach the majority of the public via the mainstream media.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
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Oakman wrote:
It does show the wrong date at the top of the page, but that's the fault of the Telegraph's webmaster, isn't it?
The byline is where you look for the author and date of an article. The date in the banner is today's date.
Oakman wrote:
Even the wrongly dated article hangs the Met Office out to dry for misleading the government and the BBC.
So their seasonal forecast was wrong, but then, no one in the UK has ever expected anything else. But now we have, or have not, AGW, and suddenly the weather is politicised. So the poor old Met Office, instead of being ridiculed as in the past, gets 'hung out to dry' for 'misleading' the government and the BBC. The Met Office has the added disadvantage that its communications reach the majority of the public via the mainstream media.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
ict558 wrote:
The date in the banner is today's date.
Then why did you ask where he got the date from?
ict558 wrote:
but then, no one in the UK has ever expected anything else.
How much do0es Her Majesty's Government pay them??? They have a contract with the BBC to provide forecasts for the nxt 90 years??? And no-one thinks they can do the job??? What they heck are you guys running over there, a home for ineptness?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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You're a {shudder} politician???
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Ypu make a lot of noise, but not much sense. Can you in one simple paragraph sum up your argument?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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You're a {shudder} politician???
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Well I was once an elected member of town meeting so I suppose I can't look down on you for that. . .but then I can think of so many other reasons. . . ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin