Technology that cant be improved.
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- So you are saying it is terribly overengineered? It is a string with a stone on the end. Fail 2) OP lacks the understanding that lasers do not exist in nature, and require energy to run them, as opposed to a set square that works all the time. OP needs educating. Fail 3) CD's are not left lying around in the sea after they have been used. OP posts non-sequitur argument. Fail 4) You are not a surgeon, so don't speak for them, and you have still not countered the fact that flint is sharper. Fail So a feeble attempt to belittle by one who claims to be clever and yet can bare string a sentence together without half a dozen spelling errors.
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Dont confuse typos with spelling errors :) Anyway, 1) You obviously havent done much building work. 2) And valves dont exist in nature either. Doesnt stop valve amps being the best. So utterly spurious srgument designed to bolster a weak position. 3) Actually CDs are used in Pheasant farms. Aparently it stops theb eating each other. (Yes, I have seen this! :) ) 4) Flint might be sharper than some steel. It doesnt mean that flint knife technology hasnt improved over the last 40000 years. So a desperate attempt via straw man arguments to try to recover some credibilty. And fails to do so! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Seaweed:- just as good as the Met Office at predicting the weather if your posts are to be beleived :-) [Ducks and runs for cover.....]
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Look, here am I in all honesty trying to open what I consder an interesting discussion and all you can do is try to divert it to a GW post! :)
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Dont confuse typos with spelling errors :) Anyway, 1) You obviously havent done much building work. 2) And valves dont exist in nature either. Doesnt stop valve amps being the best. So utterly spurious srgument designed to bolster a weak position. 3) Actually CDs are used in Pheasant farms. Aparently it stops theb eating each other. (Yes, I have seen this! :) ) 4) Flint might be sharper than some steel. It doesnt mean that flint knife technology hasnt improved over the last 40000 years. So a desperate attempt via straw man arguments to try to recover some credibilty. And fails to do so! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
- Amongst my many qualifications, I am an Electrician, and I currently (no pun intended), work for a land developer, so yes, lots of building and I do know what I am talking about. 2) You say valves don't exist in nature. How the fuck does your heart work, dickhead! 3) CD's may be used for other intentions than the original purpose. Please explain what this has to do with Fishing Nets? 4) Flint knives made by our neolithic ancestors are still sharp, and we lack the ability to make them like they did, the knowledge has been lost. Still attempting to prove you can win an argument, yet strangely failing.
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I'd be too polite to mention the total thrashing the Ozzies took :-)!
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
I'd be too polite to mention the total thrashing the Ozzies took are continuing to take.
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Look, here am I in all honesty trying to open what I consder an interesting discussion and all you can do is try to divert it to a GW post! :)
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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- Amongst my many qualifications, I am an Electrician, and I currently (no pun intended), work for a land developer, so yes, lots of building and I do know what I am talking about. 2) You say valves don't exist in nature. How the fuck does your heart work, dickhead! 3) CD's may be used for other intentions than the original purpose. Please explain what this has to do with Fishing Nets? 4) Flint knives made by our neolithic ancestors are still sharp, and we lack the ability to make them like they did, the knowledge has been lost. Still attempting to prove you can win an argument, yet strangely failing.
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- So you dont actually use plum lines, laser levels or any of that kind of stuff. 2) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh man, you so like to look an arse. I am talking about valves in electric guitar amps, you know, the whole point of this thread? 3) Biodegradability od plastics in nature was you point, not mine. (Though completely off topic) 4) Yeah, sure. Who gives a damn whether we forgot how to make a flint knife with an antler and a dead animals skin, we have, according to you, far better more modern ways of making them. Or do you no longer claim they are still made? So desperate he now makes a fool of himself, forgets the points he made, and changes his position.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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- So you dont actually use plum lines, laser levels or any of that kind of stuff. 2) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh man, you so like to look an arse. I am talking about valves in electric guitar amps, you know, the whole point of this thread? 3) Biodegradability od plastics in nature was you point, not mine. (Though completely off topic) 4) Yeah, sure. Who gives a damn whether we forgot how to make a flint knife with an antler and a dead animals skin, we have, according to you, far better more modern ways of making them. Or do you no longer claim they are still made? So desperate he now makes a fool of himself, forgets the points he made, and changes his position.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
- Plumb not plum, I don't use plum lines, they are too high in the tree. 2) Whatever you are talking about is immaterial. It is what you stated that counts. 3) Of plastics, not od plastics, surely? and 'Your point' not 'You point', for I don't point. And as for it being off topic, actually it was spot on, it is a case where newer technology has inherent failures. 4) So you argue that it is unimportant that knowledge is lost? That is the statement of a fool. All knowledge is useful. Should you ever find yourself in a situation where those skills are necessary, you die of starvation, yet smug in the knowledge that the technology is obsolete! So deperate to win that he argues from a baseline of ignorance and compounds it with fallacious point scoring.
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- Plumb not plum, I don't use plum lines, they are too high in the tree. 2) Whatever you are talking about is immaterial. It is what you stated that counts. 3) Of plastics, not od plastics, surely? and 'Your point' not 'You point', for I don't point. And as for it being off topic, actually it was spot on, it is a case where newer technology has inherent failures. 4) So you argue that it is unimportant that knowledge is lost? That is the statement of a fool. All knowledge is useful. Should you ever find yourself in a situation where those skills are necessary, you die of starvation, yet smug in the knowledge that the technology is obsolete! So deperate to win that he argues from a baseline of ignorance and compounds it with fallacious point scoring.
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- I said to ignore typos. Plumbum, latin for lead, just to prove I know the corect spelling. 2) Valves (vacuum tubes valves) are still not found in nature. 3) I said ignore typos, again. I see you are trying to drag your position back on topic, good. Its an improvement. Now, new technology will always bring new failures, but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before. 4) That knowledge can be relearned in a matter of time and so its loss is not permenant. Humiliated and so finally makes some reasonable observations.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Heres an interesting thought for you all; technology that cant be improved. How many can think of an example where a technology reached a peak many decades ago and cant be improved. In fact such a peak it was that modern equipment copies (often exactly) that old technology? Well, I have got one. Guitar amps. And specifically, the best quality guitar amps: Valve amps. Guitarists the world over still prefer the richness of tone they produce over the dryness of the transistor amp, and al the best, most expensive amps are vavle amps. Recent developments are modeling amps (transistor amps that through software effects immitate the sound of those classic 60s valve amps), but they are only imitations, and dont deliver the true sound. For example, I have a Peavey. Its got 7 valves in it, 7 examples of pres 1970s thechnology, and the clean channel is aparently an exact copy of a Fender Champ, a 60s amp. Funny stuff eh? 50 year old technology, still the best there is. As an aside, it seems that most of the best valves are made in the ex soviet bloc, SovTek, JJ, TungSol. And its also probably true that the guitar amp market is the only thing keeping valve manufacturing alive.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
I was looking for a hole in your argument and couldn't find one. My old Laney Linebacker (a touch under 30 years old) is still going strong, and sounds fantastic - and it's still got the original valves.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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I was looking for a hole in your argument and couldn't find one. My old Laney Linebacker (a touch under 30 years old) is still going strong, and sounds fantastic - and it's still got the original valves.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
and it's still got the original valves.
Holy crap! Most people talk about having to change these after 5 years of medium use, so you are doing very well. Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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- I said to ignore typos. Plumbum, latin for lead, just to prove I know the corect spelling. 2) Valves (vacuum tubes valves) are still not found in nature. 3) I said ignore typos, again. I see you are trying to drag your position back on topic, good. Its an improvement. Now, new technology will always bring new failures, but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before. 4) That knowledge can be relearned in a matter of time and so its loss is not permenant. Humiliated and so finally makes some reasonable observations.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
I know the corect spelling.
Irony Also, Vacuum Tube valves are found in nature. Many plants use vacuum pressure to achieve motility, or to inject poison. I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
fat_boy wrote:
but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before.
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird. That knowledge cannot be relearned, it can be learned in a new way, but not necessarily with the traditions and skills of former times. Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
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fat_boy wrote:
I know the corect spelling.
Irony Also, Vacuum Tube valves are found in nature. Many plants use vacuum pressure to achieve motility, or to inject poison. I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
fat_boy wrote:
but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before.
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird. That knowledge cannot be relearned, it can be learned in a new way, but not necessarily with the traditions and skills of former times. Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
You, my friend, have been taking acid...
Dalek Dave wrote:
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird.
Not at all because this post was about pointing out an exception, not a rule. Surely even your meagre intelligence understood that?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
Does the inablity to reproduce current Zen art in the west degrade western art? Flint knapping if relearnt today would of course take a different approach, and since when did tradition have anything to do with technology, but it wouldnt mean those modern kives were not the equal of their ancestors.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
You, my friend, have been taking acid...
Dalek Dave wrote:
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird.
Not at all because this post was about pointing out an exception, not a rule. Surely even your meagre intelligence understood that?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
Does the inablity to reproduce current Zen art in the west degrade western art? Flint knapping if relearnt today would of course take a different approach, and since when did tradition have anything to do with technology, but it wouldnt mean those modern kives were not the equal of their ancestors.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant. Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong. A better example of knives would be 15th Century Japanese Sword Technology, so good it is still being used. Old Stuff Works. Neophytes suffer. I am not saying all old stuff is better. Ether is better than biting on a rag when you are having surgury, but it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
and it's still got the original valves.
Holy crap! Most people talk about having to change these after 5 years of medium use, so you are doing very well. Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
I don't think they do. Certainly, I have to regularly replace them in the Marshall's, but the Laney just goes on and on and on. I do know that they originally over engineered the valves because of something they called Advanced Overdrive Response, which was an attempt to give the amps a great overdriven sound without requiring the mods that were typical with Marshall's. Basically, it was an extra preamp gain step.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant. Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong. A better example of knives would be 15th Century Japanese Sword Technology, so good it is still being used. Old Stuff Works. Neophytes suffer. I am not saying all old stuff is better. Ether is better than biting on a rag when you are having surgury, but it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant.
Very good! :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong.
Ah, so now you understand the difference. Good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
And yet with valve amps, they are more complex, more expensive, and less reliable. Yet still better. Its a funy thing, and hence the point of this thread. --edit--
Dalek Dave wrote:
because of it's inherent simplicity
That should be 'its' by the way.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant.
Very good! :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong.
Ah, so now you understand the difference. Good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
And yet with valve amps, they are more complex, more expensive, and less reliable. Yet still better. Its a funy thing, and hence the point of this thread. --edit--
Dalek Dave wrote:
because of it's inherent simplicity
That should be 'its' by the way.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
I am calling it quits. I can see it rolling on for a long time and I have other fish to fry. But a good argument none the less.
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fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
I don't think they do. Certainly, I have to regularly replace them in the Marshall's, but the Laney just goes on and on and on. I do know that they originally over engineered the valves because of something they called Advanced Overdrive Response, which was an attempt to give the amps a great overdriven sound without requiring the mods that were typical with Marshall's. Basically, it was an extra preamp gain step.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Hmm, there is a lot about amps, and especially guitar valve amps I know nothing about. They seem to be a bit of an art as much as a science because so much is subjective about the sound finally produced. Different resistors, different capacitors, and people seem to be very into modifying them to get different or better sounds. I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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I am calling it quits. I can see it rolling on for a long time and I have other fish to fry. But a good argument none the less.
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Ha, beat you! ;P Na na na na na! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Hmm, there is a lot about amps, and especially guitar valve amps I know nothing about. They seem to be a bit of an art as much as a science because so much is subjective about the sound finally produced. Different resistors, different capacitors, and people seem to be very into modifying them to get different or better sounds. I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
This is one of the reasons so many top guitarists have guitar techs. They all want to create their own unique sound, and modding your setup is one way to do this. It's the same reason that people change the pickups on guitars - looking for that perfect sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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fat_boy wrote:
I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
This is one of the reasons so many top guitarists have guitar techs. They all want to create their own unique sound, and modding your setup is one way to do this. It's the same reason that people change the pickups on guitars - looking for that perfect sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Yeah, its a big thing I guess when you get into it, infinite variability. I changed the bridge pickup on my Squier for a Seymour Duncan humbucker, SL 69 I think it is, for that reason. I have also been advised of various valve combinations too. SOunds like a minefield once you get into it! :) The ampo is currently bust. I suspect a duff power tube, I have some on order. I'll just be happy to get it back working again!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
