Technology that cant be improved.
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I was looking for a hole in your argument and couldn't find one. My old Laney Linebacker (a touch under 30 years old) is still going strong, and sounds fantastic - and it's still got the original valves.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
and it's still got the original valves.
Holy crap! Most people talk about having to change these after 5 years of medium use, so you are doing very well. Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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- I said to ignore typos. Plumbum, latin for lead, just to prove I know the corect spelling. 2) Valves (vacuum tubes valves) are still not found in nature. 3) I said ignore typos, again. I see you are trying to drag your position back on topic, good. Its an improvement. Now, new technology will always bring new failures, but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before. 4) That knowledge can be relearned in a matter of time and so its loss is not permenant. Humiliated and so finally makes some reasonable observations.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
I know the corect spelling.
Irony Also, Vacuum Tube valves are found in nature. Many plants use vacuum pressure to achieve motility, or to inject poison. I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
fat_boy wrote:
but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before.
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird. That knowledge cannot be relearned, it can be learned in a new way, but not necessarily with the traditions and skills of former times. Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
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fat_boy wrote:
I know the corect spelling.
Irony Also, Vacuum Tube valves are found in nature. Many plants use vacuum pressure to achieve motility, or to inject poison. I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
fat_boy wrote:
but that doesnt stop that new technology from being better than before.
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird. That knowledge cannot be relearned, it can be learned in a new way, but not necessarily with the traditions and skills of former times. Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
You, my friend, have been taking acid...
Dalek Dave wrote:
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird.
Not at all because this post was about pointing out an exception, not a rule. Surely even your meagre intelligence understood that?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
Does the inablity to reproduce current Zen art in the west degrade western art? Flint knapping if relearnt today would of course take a different approach, and since when did tradition have anything to do with technology, but it wouldnt mean those modern kives were not the equal of their ancestors.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I have seen a vacuum tube plant.
You, my friend, have been taking acid...
Dalek Dave wrote:
Nor does it indicate that newer is better. ~But surely your original arguement was that older was better, so you are now diametrically opposed to your original position. Weird.
Not at all because this post was about pointing out an exception, not a rule. Surely even your meagre intelligence understood that?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Certainly modern Flinters cannot produce to the skill level of the neolithics.
Does the inablity to reproduce current Zen art in the west degrade western art? Flint knapping if relearnt today would of course take a different approach, and since when did tradition have anything to do with technology, but it wouldnt mean those modern kives were not the equal of their ancestors.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant. Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong. A better example of knives would be 15th Century Japanese Sword Technology, so good it is still being used. Old Stuff Works. Neophytes suffer. I am not saying all old stuff is better. Ether is better than biting on a rag when you are having surgury, but it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
and it's still got the original valves.
Holy crap! Most people talk about having to change these after 5 years of medium use, so you are doing very well. Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
I don't think they do. Certainly, I have to regularly replace them in the Marshall's, but the Laney just goes on and on and on. I do know that they originally over engineered the valves because of something they called Advanced Overdrive Response, which was an attempt to give the amps a great overdriven sound without requiring the mods that were typical with Marshall's. Basically, it was an extra preamp gain step.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant. Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong. A better example of knives would be 15th Century Japanese Sword Technology, so good it is still being used. Old Stuff Works. Neophytes suffer. I am not saying all old stuff is better. Ether is better than biting on a rag when you are having surgury, but it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant.
Very good! :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong.
Ah, so now you understand the difference. Good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
And yet with valve amps, they are more complex, more expensive, and less reliable. Yet still better. Its a funy thing, and hence the point of this thread. --edit--
Dalek Dave wrote:
because of it's inherent simplicity
That should be 'its' by the way.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant.
Very good! :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong.
Ah, so now you understand the difference. Good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
And yet with valve amps, they are more complex, more expensive, and less reliable. Yet still better. Its a funy thing, and hence the point of this thread. --edit--
Dalek Dave wrote:
because of it's inherent simplicity
That should be 'its' by the way.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
I am calling it quits. I can see it rolling on for a long time and I have other fish to fry. But a good argument none the less.
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fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
I don't think they do. Certainly, I have to regularly replace them in the Marshall's, but the Laney just goes on and on and on. I do know that they originally over engineered the valves because of something they called Advanced Overdrive Response, which was an attempt to give the amps a great overdriven sound without requiring the mods that were typical with Marshall's. Basically, it was an extra preamp gain step.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Hmm, there is a lot about amps, and especially guitar valve amps I know nothing about. They seem to be a bit of an art as much as a science because so much is subjective about the sound finally produced. Different resistors, different capacitors, and people seem to be very into modifying them to get different or better sounds. I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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I am calling it quits. I can see it rolling on for a long time and I have other fish to fry. But a good argument none the less.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Ha, beat you! ;P Na na na na na! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Hmm, there is a lot about amps, and especially guitar valve amps I know nothing about. They seem to be a bit of an art as much as a science because so much is subjective about the sound finally produced. Different resistors, different capacitors, and people seem to be very into modifying them to get different or better sounds. I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
This is one of the reasons so many top guitarists have guitar techs. They all want to create their own unique sound, and modding your setup is one way to do this. It's the same reason that people change the pickups on guitars - looking for that perfect sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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fat_boy wrote:
I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
This is one of the reasons so many top guitarists have guitar techs. They all want to create their own unique sound, and modding your setup is one way to do this. It's the same reason that people change the pickups on guitars - looking for that perfect sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Yeah, its a big thing I guess when you get into it, infinite variability. I changed the bridge pickup on my Squier for a Seymour Duncan humbucker, SL 69 I think it is, for that reason. I have also been advised of various valve combinations too. SOunds like a minefield once you get into it! :) The ampo is currently bust. I suspect a duff power tube, I have some on order. I'll just be happy to get it back working again!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Ha, beat you! ;P Na na na na na! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Why not just fuck and get it over with? :laugh:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Why not just fuck and get it over with? :laugh:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Why not just fuck and get it over with? :laugh:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
:wtf: Grey haired ex soldiers? You must be kidding!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Yeah, its a big thing I guess when you get into it, infinite variability. I changed the bridge pickup on my Squier for a Seymour Duncan humbucker, SL 69 I think it is, for that reason. I have also been advised of various valve combinations too. SOunds like a minefield once you get into it! :) The ampo is currently bust. I suspect a duff power tube, I have some on order. I'll just be happy to get it back working again!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
SOunds like a minefield once you get into it!
It is. I've spent tens of thousands over the years, experimenting with different pedals, effects racks, amplifiers, guitars, trems, necks, pickups, leads, string gauges. All to find just the right sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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fat_boy wrote:
SOunds like a minefield once you get into it!
It is. I've spent tens of thousands over the years, experimenting with different pedals, effects racks, amplifiers, guitars, trems, necks, pickups, leads, string gauges. All to find just the right sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
All to find just the right sound.
And did you in the end, and if you did, was it substantially better to the first amp-guitar-distortion box you had?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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:wtf: Grey haired ex soldiers? You must be kidding!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Have you not seen Two and a half Men? :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Have you not seen Two and a half Men? :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
er, no, i dont watch gay porno...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
SOunds like a minefield once you get into it!
It is. I've spent tens of thousands over the years, experimenting with different pedals, effects racks, amplifiers, guitars, trems, necks, pickups, leads, string gauges. All to find just the right sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Talking of which, I found this site for modding the Peavey 212: http://ultimate-guitar-valveking.wikispaces.com/Amp+Mods+-+Electronics[^] Perhaps when its old, and I fancy a bit of a play... :)
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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er, no, i dont watch gay porno...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
It's a very funny (though now jumped the shark a bit) TV show. One of the main characters had a girlfriend whose father realised he was gay and shacked up with his old police partner. Police, army. All the same: reminded me of you 2 having a bitch-fest. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
