Technology that cant be improved.
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Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant. Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong. A better example of knives would be 15th Century Japanese Sword Technology, so good it is still being used. Old Stuff Works. Neophytes suffer. I am not saying all old stuff is better. Ether is better than biting on a rag when you are having surgury, but it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant.
Very good! :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong.
Ah, so now you understand the difference. Good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
And yet with valve amps, they are more complex, more expensive, and less reliable. Yet still better. Its a funy thing, and hence the point of this thread. --edit--
Dalek Dave wrote:
because of it's inherent simplicity
That should be 'its' by the way.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Here[^] is a picture of a Vacuum Tube Plant.
Very good! :laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Exceptions to Rules are invariable wrong.
Ah, so now you understand the difference. Good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is just true that some old technology will never be beaten because of it's inherent simplicity.
And yet with valve amps, they are more complex, more expensive, and less reliable. Yet still better. Its a funy thing, and hence the point of this thread. --edit--
Dalek Dave wrote:
because of it's inherent simplicity
That should be 'its' by the way.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
I am calling it quits. I can see it rolling on for a long time and I have other fish to fry. But a good argument none the less.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps they just dont make them today like they used to?
I don't think they do. Certainly, I have to regularly replace them in the Marshall's, but the Laney just goes on and on and on. I do know that they originally over engineered the valves because of something they called Advanced Overdrive Response, which was an attempt to give the amps a great overdriven sound without requiring the mods that were typical with Marshall's. Basically, it was an extra preamp gain step.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Hmm, there is a lot about amps, and especially guitar valve amps I know nothing about. They seem to be a bit of an art as much as a science because so much is subjective about the sound finally produced. Different resistors, different capacitors, and people seem to be very into modifying them to get different or better sounds. I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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I am calling it quits. I can see it rolling on for a long time and I have other fish to fry. But a good argument none the less.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Ha, beat you! ;P Na na na na na! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Hmm, there is a lot about amps, and especially guitar valve amps I know nothing about. They seem to be a bit of an art as much as a science because so much is subjective about the sound finally produced. Different resistors, different capacitors, and people seem to be very into modifying them to get different or better sounds. I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
This is one of the reasons so many top guitarists have guitar techs. They all want to create their own unique sound, and modding your setup is one way to do this. It's the same reason that people change the pickups on guitars - looking for that perfect sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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fat_boy wrote:
I never realised they were as tunable as cars, and attract a similar mentaility amongst its fans!
This is one of the reasons so many top guitarists have guitar techs. They all want to create their own unique sound, and modding your setup is one way to do this. It's the same reason that people change the pickups on guitars - looking for that perfect sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Yeah, its a big thing I guess when you get into it, infinite variability. I changed the bridge pickup on my Squier for a Seymour Duncan humbucker, SL 69 I think it is, for that reason. I have also been advised of various valve combinations too. SOunds like a minefield once you get into it! :) The ampo is currently bust. I suspect a duff power tube, I have some on order. I'll just be happy to get it back working again!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Ha, beat you! ;P Na na na na na! ;P ;P
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Why not just fuck and get it over with? :laugh:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Why not just fuck and get it over with? :laugh:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Why not just fuck and get it over with? :laugh:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
:wtf: Grey haired ex soldiers? You must be kidding!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Yeah, its a big thing I guess when you get into it, infinite variability. I changed the bridge pickup on my Squier for a Seymour Duncan humbucker, SL 69 I think it is, for that reason. I have also been advised of various valve combinations too. SOunds like a minefield once you get into it! :) The ampo is currently bust. I suspect a duff power tube, I have some on order. I'll just be happy to get it back working again!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
SOunds like a minefield once you get into it!
It is. I've spent tens of thousands over the years, experimenting with different pedals, effects racks, amplifiers, guitars, trems, necks, pickups, leads, string gauges. All to find just the right sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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fat_boy wrote:
SOunds like a minefield once you get into it!
It is. I've spent tens of thousands over the years, experimenting with different pedals, effects racks, amplifiers, guitars, trems, necks, pickups, leads, string gauges. All to find just the right sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
All to find just the right sound.
And did you in the end, and if you did, was it substantially better to the first amp-guitar-distortion box you had?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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:wtf: Grey haired ex soldiers? You must be kidding!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Have you not seen Two and a half Men? :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Have you not seen Two and a half Men? :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
er, no, i dont watch gay porno...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
SOunds like a minefield once you get into it!
It is. I've spent tens of thousands over the years, experimenting with different pedals, effects racks, amplifiers, guitars, trems, necks, pickups, leads, string gauges. All to find just the right sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Talking of which, I found this site for modding the Peavey 212: http://ultimate-guitar-valveking.wikispaces.com/Amp+Mods+-+Electronics[^] Perhaps when its old, and I fancy a bit of a play... :)
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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er, no, i dont watch gay porno...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
It's a very funny (though now jumped the shark a bit) TV show. One of the main characters had a girlfriend whose father realised he was gay and shacked up with his old police partner. Police, army. All the same: reminded me of you 2 having a bitch-fest. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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It's a very funny (though now jumped the shark a bit) TV show. One of the main characters had a girlfriend whose father realised he was gay and shacked up with his old police partner. Police, army. All the same: reminded me of you 2 having a bitch-fest. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
jumped the shark
What does that mean?
digital man wrote:
you 2 having a bitch-fest
Yes, DD does like to get antsy at times!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
All to find just the right sound.
And did you in the end, and if you did, was it substantially better to the first amp-guitar-distortion box you had?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
did you in the end
Still searching. Always searching. The setup I have now is significantly better than when I first started, but there are bits of kit that I discarded over the years that I now wish I'd kept. My old Ibanez Roadster II - a great guitar, and the first one I had with coil tap. The original Tube Screamer. The series 1 Ratt Distortion. My old Tascam 4-track (I record directly to hard disk now, and miss the whole tap mixing experience). My Aria Pro 2 with Kahler Flyer trem (far more stable than the original Floyd Rose trem).
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Talking of which, I found this site for modding the Peavey 212: http://ultimate-guitar-valveking.wikispaces.com/Amp+Mods+-+Electronics[^] Perhaps when its old, and I fancy a bit of a play... :)
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Cool. The r100 mod looks good - anything that makes a gain boost less trebly tends to be good. It should give you a fatter sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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fat_boy wrote:
did you in the end
Still searching. Always searching. The setup I have now is significantly better than when I first started, but there are bits of kit that I discarded over the years that I now wish I'd kept. My old Ibanez Roadster II - a great guitar, and the first one I had with coil tap. The original Tube Screamer. The series 1 Ratt Distortion. My old Tascam 4-track (I record directly to hard disk now, and miss the whole tap mixing experience). My Aria Pro 2 with Kahler Flyer trem (far more stable than the original Floyd Rose trem).
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
I remember the sound of my old Hondo LP copy and the distortion box I had, whose make I cant recall, as being better than any I have acchieved since. Whether that is rose tinted specs or not I dont know, but I often play more with fuzz than distortion to try to recapture the warmth of that sound because the Boss distortion pedal I have is way to over the top. It produces a kind of thin metallic screech rather than the roundness and dept I was used to.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Cool. The r100 mod looks good - anything that makes a gain boost less trebly tends to be good. It should give you a fatter sound.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Yeah, I might pick up a 1M pot and give it a go, it looks simple enough
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
