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  • S Sean Cundiff

    When I do that it takes me to the appropriate directory. I set up a lot of windows 7 machines and none of them has exhibited the behavior you describe. (At least in the Libraries->Documents folder).

    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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    Lost User
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    Right, I suspect I may have set my systems up incorrectly. Thanks for the tip.

    I must get a clever new signature for 2011.

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      Right, I suspect I may have set my systems up incorrectly. Thanks for the tip.

      I must get a clever new signature for 2011.

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      Sean Cundiff
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      I will agree that the other issues are very annoying. For instance, I have 3 My Documents. One that is the unobtainable link, one that goes to my 'Documents' and one that has nothing in it.

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      • C Christian Graus

        The one thing I hate is that I have one login on this machine, but the file system still shows 'my pictures', 'my downloads', etc under my documents ( twice, one folder and one shortcut ) and tells me I have no permission to open them when I try. Again, there is one login on this machine, I am the admin, the sole user, etc. Why show me stuff that I can't look at, but let me see it if I navigate to it slightly differently ?

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Dan Neely
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        That's what you get for turning on show hidden/OS files. To allow badly written legacy apps (ie those that don't use win32 apis to get the folder locations) to keep working there're a whole mess of hidden shortcuts in the user folders. MS could've added yet another Really Really Really hidden files level; but 99% of us geeks who have show hidden files checked would just check Show Really Really Really hidden files as well so there'd not really be any point to it.

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        • D David Crow

          It has something to do with junction points and backward compatibility for programs that are unaware of the new folder structure in Windows Vista and 7. Programs trying to use those old folders will be silently redirected to the new location. There are many more places Windows will show you that you may not have permission to open. One more is nothing new. You could always configure Explorer to not show protected OS files.

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          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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          DavidCrow wrote:

          configure Explorer

          ah, true, but I want to see those. need a different setting then.

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          • L Lost User

            Right, I suspect I may have set my systems up incorrectly. Thanks for the tip.

            I must get a clever new signature for 2011.

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            Sean Cundiff
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            ok, I just remembered why I have 3 my documents. one is for backward compatibility. The second was my original 'my documents' which is now empty. The third is my relocated 'my documents'. I right clicked on the original my documents and set the location to a partition that I put all of my important files on and that gets backed up regularly.

            -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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            • C Christian Graus

              There is no reason I can see, it's a sign they still have not fixed the new security code to work properly

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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              Dan Mos
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              The same here. No probs for me. The gods must really like you. :rolleyes: Or are you on MS blacklist? ;P The one thing I hate is the restriction to root(C:\) even when I run as admin(always) it still pops up the annoying stuff. Ultimate 64 here.

              All the best, Dan

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              • S Sean Cundiff

                When I do that it takes me to the appropriate directory. I set up a lot of windows 7 machines and none of them has exhibited the behavior you describe. (At least in the Libraries->Documents folder).

                -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                Dan Neely
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                In the folder, or in the treeview in the sidebar? If you have show hidden files on, you'll see both the working and non-working links in the folder. In the tree the non-working shortcuts still appear under Libraries->Documents->My Documents. I never noticed this until Richard MacCutchan pointed it out upthread, because the proper links work. The tree and folder view are inconsistent about what combination of Show hidden files (radio button) and hide protected OS files (checkbox) make them visible. Show hidden files (unselected), hide protected files (unchecked) will hide them in the folder, but not the tree. To clear them from the tree you need hide protected files checked. I haven't tested all combinations, but by default have everything shown and just deal with seeing stuff I'm not supposed to. :rolleyes:

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                • L Lost User

                  Right, I suspect I may have set my systems up incorrectly. Thanks for the tip.

                  I must get a clever new signature for 2011.

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                  Dan Neely
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                  it depends on your explorer settings, see my post down thread[^].

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                  • H Hans Dietrich

                    Be sure to get 64-bit pc. Of course, most pc sold now are 64-bit capable. There's nothing like running two Visual Studios, VMWare, Firefox, and Pandora on a 12GB pc with dual quad-core cpus and W7x64 (less than 50% memory). :)

                    Best wishes, Hans


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                    Dan Mos
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                    I agree. But I bet CG disagrees. He will find something sucky :rolleyes:

                    All the best, Dan

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                    • L Lost User

                      In Windows Explorer try going to Libraries -> Documents in the left-hand window. Then in the right-hand window click on one of the "My ..." shortcuts and you will see what Christian is talking about.

                      I must get a clever new signature for 2011.

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                      My Library | Documents window is empty. Added: Although I haven't enabled showing everything yet.

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                      • D Dan Neely

                        In the folder, or in the treeview in the sidebar? If you have show hidden files on, you'll see both the working and non-working links in the folder. In the tree the non-working shortcuts still appear under Libraries->Documents->My Documents. I never noticed this until Richard MacCutchan pointed it out upthread, because the proper links work. The tree and folder view are inconsistent about what combination of Show hidden files (radio button) and hide protected OS files (checkbox) make them visible. Show hidden files (unselected), hide protected files (unchecked) will hide them in the folder, but not the tree. To clear them from the tree you need hide protected files checked. I haven't tested all combinations, but by default have everything shown and just deal with seeing stuff I'm not supposed to. :rolleyes:

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                        Sean Cundiff
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                        Tree view - yes, I have the can't clickies. In the folder it depends on what I'm looking at. I still have the can't clickies, but in the Library->Documents view I can click through. I always display system files, hidden folders/files and file extensions. I also set my Java/Flash/Browser caches to 8 MB, and set my browsers to clear everything on closing. Things just work better that way.

                        -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                        • H Hans Dietrich

                          Be sure to get 64-bit pc. Of course, most pc sold now are 64-bit capable. There's nothing like running two Visual Studios, VMWare, Firefox, and Pandora on a 12GB pc with dual quad-core cpus and W7x64 (less than 50% memory). :)

                          Best wishes, Hans


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                          Sean Cundiff
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                          All Microsoft Server OS's from 2008 R2 on are 64-bit only. I suspect Windows 7 might be their last desktop OS that gives you the 32-bit choice. The latest sales figures I've seen show a really high percentage of 64-bit sales vs 32-bit sales. You'd be crazy not to get a 64-bit OS these days. Just my opinion. Just don't get XP 64-bit because that version bites ЧЛЕН. :laugh:

                          -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                            How very odd and Microsoft-like.

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                            Hey! Where have you been - it's been a while since you posted...

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                            • C Christian Graus

                              The one thing I hate is that I have one login on this machine, but the file system still shows 'my pictures', 'my downloads', etc under my documents ( twice, one folder and one shortcut ) and tells me I have no permission to open them when I try. Again, there is one login on this machine, I am the admin, the sole user, etc. Why show me stuff that I can't look at, but let me see it if I navigate to it slightly differently ?

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              Rob Graham
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                              It only does that if you have elected to show hidden system files.

                              "People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer

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                              • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                My Library | Documents window is empty. Added: Although I haven't enabled showing everything yet.

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                                Lost User
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                                I would expect to see something at the very least, unless you have moved all your files and folders somewhere else.

                                I must get a clever new signature for 2011.

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                                • S Sean Cundiff

                                  All Microsoft Server OS's from 2008 R2 on are 64-bit only. I suspect Windows 7 might be their last desktop OS that gives you the 32-bit choice. The latest sales figures I've seen show a really high percentage of 64-bit sales vs 32-bit sales. You'd be crazy not to get a 64-bit OS these days. Just my opinion. Just don't get XP 64-bit because that version bites ЧЛЕН. :laugh:

                                  -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                                  Sean Cundiff wrote:

                                  bites ЧЛЕН.

                                  :laugh:

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    The one thing I hate is that I have one login on this machine, but the file system still shows 'my pictures', 'my downloads', etc under my documents ( twice, one folder and one shortcut ) and tells me I have no permission to open them when I try. Again, there is one login on this machine, I am the admin, the sole user, etc. Why show me stuff that I can't look at, but let me see it if I navigate to it slightly differently ?

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    I've had various issues with "my documents" and related folders. I like to have my entire "Documents and Settings" (now "Users") folder on a separate disk to my boot disk as my boot disk is an SSD and I want to avoid unnecessary writes to all the app data / local settings / temp folders etc. It was a hassle doing it in XP but even more of one in 7 due to the zillions of junction points that are already there, the UAC and the weird way windows search works (finding 2 copies of a file that only exists once because it's on H: but there is a junction on C: that point to it, etc). In an ideal world windows would just provide a simple option to relocate the entire user data tree, and also wouldn't write tons of crap in the windows folder (winsxs, prefetch, the temp folder within windows, etc). If I do a backup of what's changed, just within my user folder, simply between shutting down and starting my computer back up, even though I've not ran anything, over a gigabyte has changed. Anyway I'm going off on a mad tangent of rants so I'll stop here, overall in most respects I agree that 7 is an improvement over XP. I skipped vista completely.

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                                    • D Dave Parker

                                      I've had various issues with "my documents" and related folders. I like to have my entire "Documents and Settings" (now "Users") folder on a separate disk to my boot disk as my boot disk is an SSD and I want to avoid unnecessary writes to all the app data / local settings / temp folders etc. It was a hassle doing it in XP but even more of one in 7 due to the zillions of junction points that are already there, the UAC and the weird way windows search works (finding 2 copies of a file that only exists once because it's on H: but there is a junction on C: that point to it, etc). In an ideal world windows would just provide a simple option to relocate the entire user data tree, and also wouldn't write tons of crap in the windows folder (winsxs, prefetch, the temp folder within windows, etc). If I do a backup of what's changed, just within my user folder, simply between shutting down and starting my computer back up, even though I've not ran anything, over a gigabyte has changed. Anyway I'm going off on a mad tangent of rants so I'll stop here, overall in most respects I agree that 7 is an improvement over XP. I skipped vista completely.

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                                      Dan Neely
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                                      Dave Parker wrote:

                                      I like to have my entire "Documents and Settings" (now "Users") folder

                                      Can you still change the path by slipstreaming it in the install disk?

                                      Dave Parker wrote:

                                      I want to avoid unnecessary writes to all the app data / local settings / temp folders etc.

                                      I think you're probably worrying over nothing. After ~16 months of storing everything except media files on my primary desktop, my Indilynx Barefoot SSD was at 96% lifetime left.

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                                      • D Dan Neely

                                        Dave Parker wrote:

                                        I like to have my entire "Documents and Settings" (now "Users") folder

                                        Can you still change the path by slipstreaming it in the install disk?

                                        Dave Parker wrote:

                                        I want to avoid unnecessary writes to all the app data / local settings / temp folders etc.

                                        I think you're probably worrying over nothing. After ~16 months of storing everything except media files on my primary desktop, my Indilynx Barefoot SSD was at 96% lifetime left.

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                                        You probably can change the path by slipstreaming but at the time I thought that would be more work, but I might consider it next time. I probably do worry to much about writes, I think that writes are pretty slow on my X25M SSD though. I have a game called City Life which used to be installed to Program Files on my SSD and I noticed it taking a huge amount of time starting up compared to when it was on a HD and it turned out it was creating a several gigabyte temp file in its own folder (not the temp folder for some reason) each time it ran. I ended up playing about with junctions keeping parts of the game on SSD and parts on HDD to get the best performance.

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                                          Hey! Where have you been - it's been a while since you posted...

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