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    Jun Du
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    One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

    Best, Jun

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      One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

      Best, Jun

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      Single Step Debugger
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      IMO we are paid to keep it simple, efficient and reuse the existing codebase when it’s possible. Do you imagine if some aerospace engineer decides that it’s a good idea to install an electrical massage chair in a fighter jet’s cockpit with the argument that this will keep the user pilot sharp? They will make him to live the company on instant…through the sixth floor window.

      There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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      • J Jun Du

        One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

        Best, Jun

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        fjdiewornncalwe
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        I consider that I'm paid to get out customer requests based on deadlines and LOE's that I suggest. If I say a job will take 2 weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time. How much time to "think" depends on how much time I can convince the customer a project will take.

        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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          One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

          Best, Jun

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          Roger Wright
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          Thinking and "over-design" are completely opposite concepts. A well thought out design is not over designed, it is ideally designed. As a professional developer you are paid to think; if you're a coder who types proper syntax in response to a design spec, you're not. But even so, it will pay in the long run if you do think a bit about what you're coding rather than just blindly implementing what you're told to code. The earlier any error is spotted, the cheaper it is to fix, and the company/job you save may be your own. :)

          Will Rogers never met me.

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          • J Jun Du

            One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

            Best, Jun

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            TheyCallMeMrJames
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            Forget the philosophical debate here, you're missing the huge upside: You can now omit anything from any project you work on. If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.

            They Call me Mister James

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              IMO we are paid to keep it simple, efficient and reuse the existing codebase when it’s possible. Do you imagine if some aerospace engineer decides that it’s a good idea to install an electrical massage chair in a fighter jet’s cockpit with the argument that this will keep the user pilot sharp? They will make him to live the company on instant…through the sixth floor window.

              There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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              Yusuf
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              Deyan Georgiev wrote:

              Do you imagine if some aerospace engineer decides that it’s a good idea to install an electrical massage chair

              in Economy class? He'd be genius.

              Yusuf May I help you?

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                Forget the philosophical debate here, you're missing the huge upside: You can now omit anything from any project you work on. If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.

                They Call me Mister James

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                Yusuf
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                TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:

                If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.

                :rolleyes: :-O :-\

                Yusuf May I help you?

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                  Thinking and "over-design" are completely opposite concepts. A well thought out design is not over designed, it is ideally designed. As a professional developer you are paid to think; if you're a coder who types proper syntax in response to a design spec, you're not. But even so, it will pay in the long run if you do think a bit about what you're coding rather than just blindly implementing what you're told to code. The earlier any error is spotted, the cheaper it is to fix, and the company/job you save may be your own. :)

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                  Jun Du
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                  Well said.

                  Best, Jun

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                    I consider that I'm paid to get out customer requests based on deadlines and LOE's that I suggest. If I say a job will take 2 weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time. How much time to "think" depends on how much time I can convince the customer a project will take.

                    I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                    Jorgen Andersson
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                    Lucky you, I'm in the situation where our customer managers say something will take two weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time.

                    List of common misconceptions

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                      Lucky you, I'm in the situation where our customer managers say something will take two weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time.

                      List of common misconceptions

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                      fjdiewornncalwe
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                      That happens as well, but I can usually trim their expectations a little bit by massaging the requirements a bit. :)

                      I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                        Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                        Do you imagine if some aerospace engineer decides that it’s a good idea to install an electrical massage chair

                        in Economy class? He'd be genius.

                        Yusuf May I help you?

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                        Do you imagine how smooth the flight will be with some 200 vibrating chairs onboard? Pilot: “T-t-t-t-tower, tower-r-r-r here is LZ-Z-Z-Z-700 we have a p-p-p-p-problem! All my tooth fillings just fell t-t-t-t-together with the left engine”.

                        There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                        • J Jun Du

                          One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

                          Best, Jun

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                          leppie
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                          It really depends. I like developing rather than designing. For anyone to be productive they need to do one of the 2, but never both. That just leads to high unproductivity.

                          ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                            Forget the philosophical debate here, you're missing the huge upside: You can now omit anything from any project you work on. If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.

                            They Call me Mister James

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                            Mycroft Holmes
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                            TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:

                            and point to the sign

                            At which point your supervisor would point to the door. People who don't think should lose the privilege of breathing.

                            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                              TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:

                              and point to the sign

                              At which point your supervisor would point to the door. People who don't think should lose the privilege of breathing.

                              Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                              TheyCallMeMrJames
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                              Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke. ;)

                              They Call me Mister James

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                              • J Jun Du

                                One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

                                Best, Jun

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                                PIEBALDconsult
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                                As a professional thinking person, if my boss says he's not paying me to think, I leave.

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                                  Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke. ;)

                                  They Call me Mister James

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                                  Mycroft Holmes
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                                  TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:

                                  Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke

                                  Yeah I got that after I posted the response... a bit slow this morning, I'm almost in holiday mode already.

                                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                    Do you imagine how smooth the flight will be with some 200 vibrating chairs onboard? Pilot: “T-t-t-t-tower, tower-r-r-r here is LZ-Z-Z-Z-700 we have a p-p-p-p-problem! All my tooth fillings just fell t-t-t-t-together with the left engine”.

                                    There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                    :laugh:

                                    Yusuf May I help you?

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                                      TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:

                                      Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke

                                      Yeah I got that after I posted the response... a bit slow this morning, I'm almost in holiday mode already.

                                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                      TheyCallMeMrJames
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                                      Well, holiday mode ain't bad...I was going to originally ask if you had a case of the Mondays ;) heheh...man I hate that guy...

                                      They Call me Mister James

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                                      • J Jun Du

                                        One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

                                        Best, Jun

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                                        R Erasmus
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                                        I feel we as developers/testers get paid to do just that... to think. How to automate, how to better, how to simplify, how to fix, how to go about writing it, how to brake it. If we weren't, we would of worked at Mcdees or doing hard labour. Our montly income would of reflected a no thinking salary, or more a hard working salary.

                                        "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." << please vote!! >>

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                                        • J Jun Du

                                          One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".

                                          Best, Jun

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                                          GAMerritt
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                                          Does that mean: 1) You are being paid to do anything BUT think. 2) Your employer is getting your thinking absolutely free. 3) Everyone else might be paid to think, but you aren't. 4) Your wages for thinking are 'under the table'.

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