You are not paid to think...
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Forget the philosophical debate here, you're missing the huge upside: You can now omit anything from any project you work on. If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.
TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:
If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.
:rolleyes: :-O :-\
Yusuf May I help you?
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Thinking and "over-design" are completely opposite concepts. A well thought out design is not over designed, it is ideally designed. As a professional developer you are paid to think; if you're a coder who types proper syntax in response to a design spec, you're not. But even so, it will pay in the long run if you do think a bit about what you're coding rather than just blindly implementing what you're told to code. The earlier any error is spotted, the cheaper it is to fix, and the company/job you save may be your own. :)
Will Rogers never met me.
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I consider that I'm paid to get out customer requests based on deadlines and LOE's that I suggest. If I say a job will take 2 weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time. How much time to "think" depends on how much time I can convince the customer a project will take.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Lucky you, I'm in the situation where our customer managers say something will take two weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time.
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Lucky you, I'm in the situation where our customer managers say something will take two weeks, it is then my responsibility to get it out in that time.
That happens as well, but I can usually trim their expectations a little bit by massaging the requirements a bit. :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Do you imagine if some aerospace engineer decides that it’s a good idea to install an electrical massage chair
in Economy class? He'd be genius.
Yusuf May I help you?
Do you imagine how smooth the flight will be with some 200 vibrating chairs onboard? Pilot: “T-t-t-t-tower, tower-r-r-r here is LZ-Z-Z-Z-700 we have a p-p-p-p-problem! All my tooth fillings just fell t-t-t-t-together with the left engine”.
There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
It really depends. I like developing rather than designing. For anyone to be productive they need to do one of the 2, but never both. That just leads to high unproductivity.
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Forget the philosophical debate here, you're missing the huge upside: You can now omit anything from any project you work on. If you sup asks you where feature x is, you can just say, "Hmm...didn't think of that." and point to the sign.
TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:
and point to the sign
At which point your supervisor would point to the door. People who don't think should lose the privilege of breathing.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:
and point to the sign
At which point your supervisor would point to the door. People who don't think should lose the privilege of breathing.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke. ;)
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
As a professional thinking person, if my boss says he's not paying me to think, I leave.
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Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke. ;)
TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:
Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke
Yeah I got that after I posted the response... a bit slow this morning, I'm almost in holiday mode already.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Do you imagine how smooth the flight will be with some 200 vibrating chairs onboard? Pilot: “T-t-t-t-tower, tower-r-r-r here is LZ-Z-Z-Z-700 we have a p-p-p-p-problem! All my tooth fillings just fell t-t-t-t-together with the left engine”.
There is only one Ashley Judd and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
:laugh:
Yusuf May I help you?
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TheyCallMeMrJames wrote:
Don't tell anyone, but my post was a joke
Yeah I got that after I posted the response... a bit slow this morning, I'm almost in holiday mode already.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Well, holiday mode ain't bad...I was going to originally ask if you had a case of the Mondays ;) heheh...man I hate that guy...
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
I feel we as developers/testers get paid to do just that... to think. How to automate, how to better, how to simplify, how to fix, how to go about writing it, how to brake it. If we weren't, we would of worked at Mcdees or doing hard labour. Our montly income would of reflected a no thinking salary, or more a hard working salary.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." << please vote!! >>
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
Well, it depends how thinkable will be your job, and if they think the requirements are trivial and can be implemented under the known knowledge base. And if people think they know all there it is to know, and there are no unknowns and known unknowns are an oxymoron. So, to think that you won't have to design anything and just template your code away, and thinking everything will work just fine and there will be no surprises of the wrong sort, I wish you good luck!
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
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That happens as well, but I can usually trim their expectations a little bit by massaging the requirements a bit. :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Marcus Kramer wrote:
a little bit by massaging the requirements a bit
In other words, doing the thinking no-one else is doing?
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H.L. Mencken
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It really depends. I like developing rather than designing. For anyone to be productive they need to do one of the 2, but never both. That just leads to high unproductivity.
leppie wrote:
For anyone to be productive they need to do one of the 2, but never both. That just leads to high unproductivity.
That may be true for you. It doesn't mean it's true for all.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H.L. Mencken
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
Seems like more companies these days are hiring Business Analysts to think and Developers to code. I think the theory is that business analysts cost less and can relate to the business better than a developer. At my current and previous job developers have little or no contact with users and all issues are mitigated through a BA. Some of this may also have to do with the personality of the department managers. Does anyone else work with BAs and what role do they play in your organization?
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One of our supervisors posted this at his cubicle (as a joke, of course). Seriously, are we or should we be paid to think in our daily work? By "think", I mean spending a lot of time in great details, something we call "over-design".
Best, Jun
It depends on your role of the company. If someone simply implements stuff that has already been designed by others, temptation to do it differently might kick in, but this person is not paid to "think" a better way to do stuff, he simply needs to do it. Unfortunatelly it's usually how it is. In past times I had really nasty fights with team leaders because I didn't agree the way something was beeing done, and I felt really mad to do stuff I knew wouldn't work. This fights looked bad for me, none of the times I convinced them to do it my way and when the time came to say "I told you so", my salary didn't rise and I didn't get a promotion. So thinking in my case was pointless and has done more harm than good to my career. A very good example is JSOP, that thinked and it didn't matter anyway, he still had to convert stuff from C# to VB, no matter how insane that sounded.