The Tiger Mother and the lounge... [modified] THIS IS NOT ME, JUST AN EXCERPT FROM AN ARTICLE
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iris.frigole wrote:
Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do:
You, my friend, are full of shit. I don't believe this for a minute. You are looking for a fight. No loving parent, in their right mind, would do this to their child unless they themselves were royally fucked up in the head. One vote me all you want.
Slacker007 wrote:
You, my friend, are full of sh*t. I don't believe this for a minute. You are looking for a fight.
:wtf: Dude, it's a wsj article! :~
Regards, Nish
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Anyone read this? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html[^] Pasting an excerpt here: //BOF EXCERPT //*****THIS A EXCERPT FROM THE ARTICLE, NOT MY OWN DEEDS***** A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math whizzes and music prodigies, what it’s like inside the family, and whether they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I’ve done it. Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do: •attend a sleepover •have a playdate •be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play •watch TV or play computer games •choose their own extracurricular activities •get any grade less than an A •not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama •play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin //EOF EXCERPT what do you think?
modified on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:23 AM
One word: Balance. If you think this is a balanced way to educate and raise a child, well then I guess you've answered your own question.
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Anyone read this? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html[^] Pasting an excerpt here: //BOF EXCERPT //*****THIS A EXCERPT FROM THE ARTICLE, NOT MY OWN DEEDS***** A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math whizzes and music prodigies, what it’s like inside the family, and whether they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I’ve done it. Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do: •attend a sleepover •have a playdate •be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play •watch TV or play computer games •choose their own extracurricular activities •get any grade less than an A •not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama •play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin //EOF EXCERPT what do you think?
modified on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:23 AM
The thing this points out to me is how important it is to have parental involvement in a child's education.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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You know, I responded as if it was genuine, but I couldn't help but feel it was a troll. Someone who did these things to their kids would probably think it was normal, and not post about it like this.
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I posted about the article because i genuinely wanted to know what you thought, it's not how i am raising my own children. I want to know CP member opinion because imo they mostly are smart, successful people, that's all. Was not meaning to disturb anyone.
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maybe i am misunderstanding you, or you ar emisunderstanding me... this is what AMy CHua writes in her article... not anything I have done to my own children
Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way. :)
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maybe i am misunderstanding you, or you ar emisunderstanding me... this is what AMy CHua writes in her article... not anything I have done to my own children
I made the same misunderstanding too. By the time I got to the end of the excerpted paragraph, I thought we were back to your opinions, even after reading it twice.
Pete
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One word: Balance. If you think this is a balanced way to educate and raise a child, well then I guess you've answered your own question.
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Jim, this is not me. It's an article I came across and just wanted to know what people thought of it.
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Anyone read this? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html[^] Pasting an excerpt here: //BOF EXCERPT //*****THIS A EXCERPT FROM THE ARTICLE, NOT MY OWN DEEDS***** A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math whizzes and music prodigies, what it’s like inside the family, and whether they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I’ve done it. Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do: •attend a sleepover •have a playdate •be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play •watch TV or play computer games •choose their own extracurricular activities •get any grade less than an A •not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama •play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin //EOF EXCERPT what do you think?
modified on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:23 AM
iris.frigole wrote:
•attend a sleepover •have a playdate
Wow, so they are socially inept then right? I'm sure they will be stable enough to be in great relationships. The wire mesh baby monkey comes to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow[^]
iris.frigole wrote:
•be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play
iris.frigole wrote:
•not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
You could be withholding the world from world class actresses, but you'll never know.
iris.frigole wrote:
•play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin
What is it about these 2 instruments that is different than any other instrument?
iris.frigole wrote:
choose their own extracurricular activities
Once again, what is the harm here? I actually think your daughters would not stick out if applying to top tier American Universities today. There's no diversity in interests or unique characteristics.
iris.frigole wrote:
•not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
In my opinion, this encourages cheating. My rationale is that since your daughters are not likely the most intelligent in their class, they must cheat to become the number 1 students. This is based on proper brain development through a range of experiences, and your daughters' experiences are extremely limited.
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iris.frigole wrote:
Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do:
You, my friend, are full of shit. I don't believe this for a minute. You are looking for a fight. No loving parent, in their right mind, would do this to their child unless they themselves were royally fucked up in the head. One vote me all you want.
What's wrong with being driven to succeed? Why are we in the west so eager to accept mediocrity as an achievement? These are exactly the reasons the west is in decline. Everyone is expected to succeed or fail to the same level so that nobody stands out as being "better". Your typical Chinese familiy is only allowed to have one child, and getting accepted into a college there is extremely difficult, so if you don't want your kid to be harvesting rice for the rest of his life, you have to use extreme parenting to give them an equal chance at success. I don't have a problem with the strategies listed in the OP as long as the parents aren't psychopaths.
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I'd have to say that it that these parenting strategies also create socially inept, work-obsessed individuals who are "successful" because there is no balance whatsoever in their lives. We all wish our children could be exceptional, but at what cost. There is something to be said for being "normal".
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Slacker007 wrote:
You, my friend, are full of sh*t. I don't believe this for a minute. You are looking for a fight.
:wtf: Dude, it's a wsj article! :~
Regards, Nish
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I know, I know. I misunderstood the OP. I was trigger happy and I stand corrected. I hang my head in shame. :(
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Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way. :)
I thought it was pretty clear myself - he's posting about an article he read.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way. :)
changed the title of the post to avoid the flames, will be more careful next time i post for sure :)
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iris.frigole wrote:
•attend a sleepover •have a playdate
Wow, so they are socially inept then right? I'm sure they will be stable enough to be in great relationships. The wire mesh baby monkey comes to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow[^]
iris.frigole wrote:
•be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play
iris.frigole wrote:
•not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
You could be withholding the world from world class actresses, but you'll never know.
iris.frigole wrote:
•play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin
What is it about these 2 instruments that is different than any other instrument?
iris.frigole wrote:
choose their own extracurricular activities
Once again, what is the harm here? I actually think your daughters would not stick out if applying to top tier American Universities today. There's no diversity in interests or unique characteristics.
iris.frigole wrote:
•not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
In my opinion, this encourages cheating. My rationale is that since your daughters are not likely the most intelligent in their class, they must cheat to become the number 1 students. This is based on proper brain development through a range of experiences, and your daughters' experiences are extremely limited.
really, this is not what i am doing to my daughters... i don't even have two daugters!!! it's an excerpt from a WSJ article!!!!
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Jim, this is not me. It's an article I came across and just wanted to know what people thought of it.
iris.frigole wrote:
Jim, this is not me. It's an article I came across and just wanted to know what people thought of it.
:laugh: I feel for you man. Some of the reactions you got have been hilarious! Oh well, the good thing is they all probably think you own the Wall Street Journal :-D
Regards, Nish
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Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way.
You mean, make it "stupid" proof? :-D
Regards, Nish
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I thought it was pretty clear myself - he's posting about an article he read.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I thought it was pretty clear myself - he's posting about an article he read.
Yeah, same here. There was no confusion there at all, unless anyone thinks the OP owns the Wall Street Journal domain. :)
Regards, Nish
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Next time I think you should make your post more "clear" as to what you are saying and what the article excerpt is saying. I don't think I was the only one here that misunderstood your post. I am glad to hear that you don't feel this way. :)
It was clear to me... :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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iris.frigole wrote:
•attend a sleepover •have a playdate
Wow, so they are socially inept then right? I'm sure they will be stable enough to be in great relationships. The wire mesh baby monkey comes to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow[^]
iris.frigole wrote:
•be in a school play •complain about not being in a school play
iris.frigole wrote:
•not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
You could be withholding the world from world class actresses, but you'll never know.
iris.frigole wrote:
•play any instrument other than the piano or violin •not play the piano or violin
What is it about these 2 instruments that is different than any other instrument?
iris.frigole wrote:
choose their own extracurricular activities
Once again, what is the harm here? I actually think your daughters would not stick out if applying to top tier American Universities today. There's no diversity in interests or unique characteristics.
iris.frigole wrote:
•not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
In my opinion, this encourages cheating. My rationale is that since your daughters are not likely the most intelligent in their class, they must cheat to become the number 1 students. This is based on proper brain development through a range of experiences, and your daughters' experiences are extremely limited.
wizardzz wrote:
What is it about these 2 instruments that is different than any other instrument?
Those two instruments are seen as the "pinnacle" of the classical music instruments, where one can be a superstar soloist (i.e. you can train and practice mostly alone).
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I thought it was pretty clear myself - he's posting about an article he read.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Yes John, it is clear now (after he modified the article) but it wasn't clear when he originally posted. I wasn't the only one who was thrown off a bit. ;)