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  • D Dan Neely

    Ars Technica is quoting slightly lower numbers of 11.43%[^] for IE6, and a 1.63% drop. Either way, IE6 share is likely to reach a single digit share within the next month or two. IE6's losses have been fairly consistant at a bit over 1.5% a month for a while with the dataset used by Ars Technica. While they'll probably start leveling off soon, a linear extrapolation would have the share hitting 0% in about 7 months. Regardless, if IE6's share isn't small enough to ignore yet, it will be soon; and I'd put it low enough to stop making heroic efforts to support already.

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    Lost User
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    Dan Neely wrote:

    and I'd put it low enough to stop making heroic efforts to support already.

    Agreed

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      3.9 % probably less... who cares, give them an error message like microsoft on their site that says please upgrade to newer browser. IE 6 has so much security and css problems.

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      agreed. And IE7 *is* available for Windows XP

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        That wouldn't help his IE6 users view transparent PNG's.

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        Uh, and why not? It's a plug-in for IE6 that takes over the HTML rendering. Hence, PNGs would then work.

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        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

          Uh, and why not? It's a plug-in for IE6 that takes over the HTML rendering. Hence, PNGs would then work.

          "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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          AspDotNetDev
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          Because the user has to install the plugin. If you can't get them to upgrade past IE6, what makes you think they would install that plugin? And does that plugin even work in IE6? EDIT: Seems IE6 is supported by the plugin. Though I still think asking the user to install the plugin may not be feasible (e.g., they may be on corporate computers where installs of new software is not allowed).

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            Because the user has to install the plugin. If you can't get them to upgrade past IE6, what makes you think they would install that plugin? And does that plugin even work in IE6? EDIT: Seems IE6 is supported by the plugin. Though I still think asking the user to install the plugin may not be feasible (e.g., they may be on corporate computers where installs of new software is not allowed).

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            well, if they don't want to install the plugin, then they get a garbagy looking UI

            "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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              agreed. And IE7 *is* available for Windows XP

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              Dan Neely
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              IE7 has a smaller market share than IE6, besides which IE8 is available for XP so even die hard MS loving XP users have access to a halfway decent IE version. IE9 will not be, because it uses Direct2d(?) which requires DX10; and DX10 isn't available for XP.

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              • D Dan Neely

                IE7 has a smaller market share than IE6, besides which IE8 is available for XP so even die hard MS loving XP users have access to a halfway decent IE version. IE9 will not be, because it uses Direct2d(?) which requires DX10; and DX10 isn't available for XP.

                3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                cool, even better!

                "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                • C Christian Graus

                  So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  JimmyRopes
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                  The simple solution is don't use IE6. :rolleyes:

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    JHizzle
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                    We've had this just recently. We tried implementing a script file to dynamically recode the img tag to use a style source = Microsoft.ImageX something or other but that then decided to screw up ff and also not show every file in IE6. End result was we batch converted from png to gif.

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      ldudex
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                      Screw IE6 - *IE8* even has issues with PNGs... this w/end I was making a simple html page that used JQuery's animate function - the png in question has some transparency in parts of the logo, and by simply doing a fade-in and move with .animate, the logo just looked like crappy black text. No other browser had this issue ... just IE... hell, even the iPad and Android 3.2's browser dealt with it just FINE. Luckily IE9 did work without munging the transparency in the logo, but it had other issues (regarding width) that IE8 also had. *sigh*

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                      • M M dHatter

                        You are still using ie6, my god man, time to upgrade or switch to firefox. 1 Firefox 3.6 26.29% 2 Internet Explorer 8 25.97% 3 Chrome 8 12.95% 4 Internet Explorer 7 9.90% 5 Safari 5 4.86% 6 Internet Explorer 6 3.91% 7 Firefox 3.5 2.54% 8 Firefox 3 1.30% 9 Safari 4 0.91% 10 Firefox 4 0.70%

                        "I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." Einstein "Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." Mark Twain

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                        These look like real world stats from an actual website. Hooray!

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          boarderstu
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                          After working late... very late... I found this...! http://www.dillerdesign.com/experiment/DD_belatedPNG/[^]

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                          • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                            well, if they don't want to install the plugin, then they get a garbagy looking UI

                            "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                            dawmail333
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                            Yes, it's not always feasible, but it is 98% of the time. IE6 has to die, and if that requires drastic measures, so be it! Microsoft have stopped supporting IE6 on their own pages, so why should we care??? At least the average is FINALLY shifting past IE6. Thank heavens.

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                            • C Christian Graus

                              So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              computer_nerd
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                              Hi Christian Have you tried PNG Behaviour from Erik Arvidsson? http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html[^] It works for me. Just copy some code to a file called pngbehaviour.htc, reference it in your .css file like this: img {behavior: url("pngbehavior.htc");} then ie6 can display .png images correctly John

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                              • C Christian Graus

                                So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                djdanlib 0
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                                Oh, man. I feel your pain there. Would you mind updating your post if you find a solution that works? IE6 is the new COBOL. It was the new hotness when it was dumped onto the market with Windows XP at the height of the dot-com boom. Nobody really develops new apps on it anymore, so it's mostly "dead". But it's not just a memory yet. Large companies built their entire infrastructure of custom applications on it over the course of a decade. IE5.x with its newfangled "DHTML" already had significant market share in the enterprise for a while before then. People were building apps on that, and IE6 promised compatibility with things built with IE5. Other browsers just couldn't compete with the system integration that was offered by IE at that time - ActiveX? I don't recall Netscape offering that. Hiring someone who knows IE6 is still a lot cheaper and faster than a total replacement of infrastructure that took ten years to build. So... it's not going to die soon enough... just keep fighting the good fight!

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                                  These look like real world stats from an actual website. Hooray!

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                                  M dHatter
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                                  What you think i made them up? It's easier just to ctrl-c ctrl-v ;P

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    Mark AJA
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                                    I believe IE6 was invented a long time before PNG's where. I'm sure someone will now say that he has been using PNG's before upgrading from IE5. If you have allowed IE6 to install the upgrades then it will support PNG's even if it has a transparent background. IE7, IE8, IE9 etc also support PNG's. If you use other browsers of that age. EG Netscape 4, you may also have problems using PNG's. You could use <IMG SRC=... ALT="If this image is not displayed on your browser you may wish to upgrade to one that is not over 10 years old.">

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                                      Screw IE6 - *IE8* even has issues with PNGs... this w/end I was making a simple html page that used JQuery's animate function - the png in question has some transparency in parts of the logo, and by simply doing a fade-in and move with .animate, the logo just looked like crappy black text. No other browser had this issue ... just IE... hell, even the iPad and Android 3.2's browser dealt with it just FINE. Luckily IE9 did work without munging the transparency in the logo, but it had other issues (regarding width) that IE8 also had. *sigh*

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                                      Mark AJA
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                                      Sounds like a problem with JQuery's animate. I use Microsoft Photo Editor (non animate images) and Serif PhotoPlus (animate images) with IE6, IE7, IE8, IE9 and other browsers. OK with Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows 7.

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                                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                        well, duh :rolleyes: X|

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                                        ahmed zahmed wrote:

                                        well, duh

                                        ditto

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          So, I've followed the instructions offered on several websites, and IE6 still is not showing my PNGs with transparency. I am not sure if it's because I am in a VM, or I'm doing something wrong, or what. I am still incredulous that Microsoft could be so stupid. Has anyone else had this issue ( that is, PNGs on a website and the online fixes don't seem to work )

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                          Steven Quick
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                                          This is the one we use, seems to work well: http://labs.unitinteractive.com/unitpngfix.php[^]

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