VS 2008, or VS2010
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VS2008 because it crashes less, is less slow, and just plain works ( or at least, you know how to get around where it doesn't )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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What sort of work do you do ? I wonder if it's faster for people who do no GUI work, for example, b/c I find the designers freeze a lot.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yeah, I do ASP.net. Using a designer for that is a fire-able offense. It also loads single html files much faster, as well as 300,000 line XML files.
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This specific piece of work is a single very large GUI. I'm using the express version of 2010 to trial it It's very slow but then this routine at 12K lines stretches 2008 too. I don't have measurements, but 2008 is the quicker of the two, 2010 is easier to get in Dublin.
Ger
I'm in Austin TX, and most places I've worked have upgraded within a month or two of each release for the past 10 years or so. If I don't stay current then I start to get suspicious questions about it when I interview.
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Wow. I've never heard anyone say VS2010 was faster doing anything.
Best wishes, Hans
From the first time I fired it up, it has always seemed faster to me. Never more than slightly, but just more responsive.
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From the first time I fired it up, it has always seemed faster to me. Never more than slightly, but just more responsive.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
Unlike VS2008, I find myself using coping strategies with VS2010. Count the number of times I switch from code view to resource view. More than 3? Yes ==> restart VS2010. Count the number of times I create a new resource. More than 3? Yes ==> restart VS2010. Count the number of times I switch between projects in the same solution. More than 3? Yes ==> restart VS2010. Add new project to solution ==> restart VS2010. When I fail to adhere to these rules, I am frequently (not always) confronted with a VS2010 crash, which might or might not lose the changes I have made. I am probably being ridiculously paranoid, but I feel like I'm slogging through mud with VS2010, and being able to list it on my CV is not much comfort. As far as I'm concerned, the RTM version of VS2010 is not even beta quality, and the Microsoft PM who said that VS2010 would be "the new VS6" is an idiot.
Best wishes, Hans
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Yeah, I do ASP.net. Using a designer for that is a fire-able offense. It also loads single html files much faster, as well as 300,000 line XML files.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
Funny, ASP.NET is precisely what I tried to do ( a small, simple site, and I never use the designers, but I found it sometimes insists on loading them all the same ) and I gave up after a day as I found it was unusable. I have no add ins installed, and I am using a quad core machine with 20 GB RAM.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I have Visual Studio 2008 on my personal laptop using Vista, but I now have to recommend a version to my employer. 2008 or 2010 to run on Windows 7 and why?
Ger
I've had less crashes in VS2010. Working with WPF seems easier (e.g., many things that were part of the WPF Toolkit are inegrated into the IDE by default). You can use .Net 4 with VS2010, which you can't do in VS2008.
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Unlike VS2008, I find myself using coping strategies with VS2010. Count the number of times I switch from code view to resource view. More than 3? Yes ==> restart VS2010. Count the number of times I create a new resource. More than 3? Yes ==> restart VS2010. Count the number of times I switch between projects in the same solution. More than 3? Yes ==> restart VS2010. Add new project to solution ==> restart VS2010. When I fail to adhere to these rules, I am frequently (not always) confronted with a VS2010 crash, which might or might not lose the changes I have made. I am probably being ridiculously paranoid, but I feel like I'm slogging through mud with VS2010, and being able to list it on my CV is not much comfort. As far as I'm concerned, the RTM version of VS2010 is not even beta quality, and the Microsoft PM who said that VS2010 would be "the new VS6" is an idiot.
Best wishes, Hans
I'd hate using sh*t like that, it would be like going back to VS.net or 2003.
Hans Dietrich wrote:
Microsoft PM who said that VS2010 would be "the new VS6" is an idiot.
He was also re-assigned before it shipped. I think he tried to change the culture of the department from the top down and failed to make any serious improvements. Their performance test coverage was also pretty heinous, so they missed a lot of common cases, patching like crazy at the end. I am hopeful that they will stick with the 3-4 release strategy to make VS into a good product. From what I read this was supposed to be the big destabilizing release where they cleared out a lot of cruft, and then they were going to start building up from here. It looked like the tools team was the long pole and they shipped whenever the framework was done.
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Funny, ASP.NET is precisely what I tried to do ( a small, simple site, and I never use the designers, but I found it sometimes insists on loading them all the same ) and I gave up after a day as I found it was unusable. I have no add ins installed, and I am using a quad core machine with 20 GB RAM.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The system I work in now has about 8 projects with 40,000 lines of code. One service and one website, and I bitch because a full compile takes 12-15 seconds on average. The only pain I have is figuring out the code base to find which file to update when making a change. Is that when you were complaining about the project only running in a subdirectory?
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Funny, ASP.NET is precisely what I tried to do ( a small, simple site, and I never use the designers, but I found it sometimes insists on loading them all the same ) and I gave up after a day as I found it was unusable. I have no add ins installed, and I am using a quad core machine with 20 GB RAM.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The system I work in now has about 8 projects with 40,000 lines of code. One service and one website, and I bitch because a full compile takes 12-15 seconds on average. The only pain I have is figuring out the code base to find which file to update when making a change. Is that when you were complaining about the project only running in a subdirectory?
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I have Visual Studio 2008 on my personal laptop using Vista, but I now have to recommend a version to my employer. 2008 or 2010 to run on Windows 7 and why?
Ger
I forgot to mention those. CTRL + , is the only way to navigate large projects, and there are some pretty sweet add-ins.
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I'd hate using sh*t like that, it would be like going back to VS.net or 2003.
Hans Dietrich wrote:
Microsoft PM who said that VS2010 would be "the new VS6" is an idiot.
He was also re-assigned before it shipped. I think he tried to change the culture of the department from the top down and failed to make any serious improvements. Their performance test coverage was also pretty heinous, so they missed a lot of common cases, patching like crazy at the end. I am hopeful that they will stick with the 3-4 release strategy to make VS into a good product. From what I read this was supposed to be the big destabilizing release where they cleared out a lot of cruft, and then they were going to start building up from here. It looked like the tools team was the long pole and they shipped whenever the framework was done.
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Heh, that sounds about right. Up to now I have skipped every other release or so. I wish I could skip VS2010, but some of my clients have already migrated, so I have no choice. X|
Best wishes, Hans
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Wow. I've never heard anyone say VS2010 was faster doing anything.
Best wishes, Hans
I've run the express in XP mode for a while, whiuch seemed reasonably fast, almost up to par with VS2008 on the physical OS.
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I'm in Austin TX, and most places I've worked have upgraded within a month or two of each release for the past 10 years or so. If I don't stay current then I start to get suspicious questions about it when I interview.
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If the interviewer thinks you will have a problem moving to VS2010 then he's an idiot and you should be suspicious yourself. Find a place where they understand development.
Best wishes, Hans
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Really? I haven't had any problem with it, in fact I'd like to have it at office, currently I use it for my personal projects, I have installed and uninstalled many CTP's, modified a couple of solutions involving WPF, ASP.Net and well, I can't ask too much from my laptop but at least it's response time is decent. I have a Toshiba A205 Celeron@ 1.99Ghz, 2 GB RAM and HDD 100GB. Nothing to have fun with it, but has proven to be worth every cent I spent on it =D Did I say that it runs Blend Sketchflow fairly smoothly? ;P Of course, I haven't added any "productivity" add-ins as R# or Refactor, just TestDriven.Net and Specflow.
Do you use SpecFlow a lot? I'd like to know more about how you do BDD, if you don't mind sharing.
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I have Visual Studio 2008 on my personal laptop using Vista, but I now have to recommend a version to my employer. 2008 or 2010 to run on Windows 7 and why?
Ger
If you're programming in .NET, I'd go with VS 2010. For C++, I see no reason to go beyond VS 2008 at this point. Hopefully, VS 2010 SP1 will fix some of the more annoying bugs and slow down issues.
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I have Visual Studio 2008 on my personal laptop using Vista, but I now have to recommend a version to my employer. 2008 or 2010 to run on Windows 7 and why?
Ger
Well it's rather simple - I use both (as I doing some WindowsCE development and you get no VS2010 love for it). But overall I love working in VS2010 - it just feels better and with all the goodies (NuGet, Productivity Power Tools, ...) and of course TFS (used to be MSDN pro/VS pro subscriber - now switched to premium) it a no brainer what version to use on a day to day basis. I've got no issues at all (but I have a "decent" machine - 4cores@2.5GHz, 12GB RAM that helps "a lot"). I get some slowdown from time to time - but I'm rather sure that this is Rsharper-related because I've got the same issues on VS2008. Only thing that really killed the fun so far was a bug with the Async-CTP that killed the data-visualization during debuging (only in C#) and that could only be solved by installing the SP1-beta. So my recommendation would be: MSDN! - so you get BOTH and can choose at will.
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I have Visual Studio 2008 on my personal laptop using Vista, but I now have to recommend a version to my employer. 2008 or 2010 to run on Windows 7 and why?
Ger
2010 rocks so hard and with SP1 on the way it's a definite winner. Plugin support is unparalleled to 2008. Once you go 2010, you won't go back.
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I have Visual Studio 2008 on my personal laptop using Vista, but I now have to recommend a version to my employer. 2008 or 2010 to run on Windows 7 and why?
Ger
Still using 2005 Standard ourselves. I/We can't see shelling out for a "better" newer version considering it handles everything we throw at it so far. Migration for all the people that work with/for me would be a pain (even if just for the Admin of uninstalling/reinstalling/dependencies etc...) We have 397 products/projects (some in idea/snipit stage, all the way to finished code) (had to look in the code base server for that info...whew there's a lot of junk :P) and all of them fit nicely in 2005 so I really cant give you any reason to upgrade. Now on the other hand if your business/programmers are just starting out...Get them the newest thing now. I remember the pain of picking a new dev IDE when the choice was VS6 --> VS2003/VS2005. We went to 2005 because we had outgrown 6 and needed something new and it sucked and was a royal pain. Lots of old software (API viewer comes to mind) had to be replaced for .net stuff and many things that just worked no longer did (sockets....don't even get me started on .net sockets!). The question was not to upgrade or not, it was upgrade to what, so we went with the newest thing on the market at the time hence VS2005.
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Wow. I've never heard anyone say VS2010 was faster doing anything.
Best wishes, Hans