Why don't Indians buy software?
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So they order the free trial, hand it to a local to play with, and the local then duplicates the functionality for a tenth the price... :-D
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That is probably a good way to do it in India :-)
Regards, Nish
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Sorry, I think you misunderstood. We sell a small business product, it's not a development tool there are no developers involved, usually plumbers, electricians, computer repair shops etc. It's a software package used by small businesses to run their service business. Think commercial off the shelf software only distributed entirely online. Our sales are *very* strong in the U.S. and Canada so that doesn't account for it either. This is a pattern that has developed over a decade now, it's not a one time thing. It's mystifying.
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I think you misunderstood. The developers of your competitor's software are located in India and they want to stay up to date what you guys are doing.
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kdgupta87 wrote:
a outoftopic question, can u say how my own country (BANGLADESH) doing in ur webchart
Spaces, capitals, punctuation and correct spelling are required, it's too fucking hard to understand what you're saying. I assume you have a full keyboard and not a mobile phone keypad to type with.
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Some are but very few. That wasn't what Nish was talking about anyway.
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Is it written in .NET? Can it easily be decompiled? I think they aren't working for your competitors, probably rip it off and sell the knockoff dirt cheap in their home country. If this were the situation the only way you would find out is the lack of purchases from India...
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We were going over our analytics the other day and a question came up: "Why don't Indians buy software?". We sell a small to medium sized business application online and we have regular sales in over 70 countries. In our web analytics we see India quite high on the list of countries where people download our software, very high, like fifth out of all countries, as well Indians regularly request a full trial license from us to fully test our software so we know they are engaged and interested. The mystery is that in over a decade in business we still have zero sales to India, not one single one. This despite thousands of downloads by Indians. The countries below India in downloads, even *way* below India still account for a large amount of sales. It's not piracy, we monitor that regularly. We've contacted the Indian people who requested a license as we do everyone and we always get an answer like "We thoroughly checked it out and decided to go with another package". Is there some kind of cultural thing we're not getting? Is it that they will always try to find a local equivalent if they can? Does anyone have a theory as to this mystifying behaviour?
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John C wrote:
It's not piracy, we monitor that regularly.
If you’re happy with your security, so are the bad guys. :)
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John C wrote:
It's not piracy, we monitor that regularly.
If you’re happy with your security, so are the bad guys. :)
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes:rolleyes: Ok. Believe me when I tell you that we've been doing this for a long time and have been the victims of piracy a *long* time ago. We know exactly what is worth doing and more importantly what isn't worth doing and the implications and we know exactly where to look to find out if we have a pirated anything floating out there and we monitor it regularly.
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:rolleyes: Ok. Believe me when I tell you that we've been doing this for a long time and have been the victims of piracy a *long* time ago. We know exactly what is worth doing and more importantly what isn't worth doing and the implications and we know exactly where to look to find out if we have a pirated anything floating out there and we monitor it regularly.
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John C wrote:
Believe me when I tell you that we've been doing this for a long time and have been the victims of piracy a *long* time ago. We know exactly what is worth doing and more importantly what isn't worth doing and the implications and we know exactly where to look to find out if we have a pirated anything floating out there and we monitor it regularly.
The ease of defeating a security device or system is proportional to how confident/arrogant the designer, manufacturer, or user is about it, and to how often they use words like “impossible” or “tamper-proof”. :rolleyes:
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John C wrote:
Believe me when I tell you that we've been doing this for a long time and have been the victims of piracy a *long* time ago. We know exactly what is worth doing and more importantly what isn't worth doing and the implications and we know exactly where to look to find out if we have a pirated anything floating out there and we monitor it regularly.
The ease of defeating a security device or system is proportional to how confident/arrogant the designer, manufacturer, or user is about it, and to how often they use words like “impossible” or “tamper-proof”. :rolleyes:
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You don't understand the south/southeast Asian mindset. You are not making any sales because if not pirating your software directly (which they are very good at) they are reverse engineering (hoards of educated/unemployed/underemployed developers) your product. You don't stand a chance. :)
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kdgupta87 wrote:
a outoftopic question, can u say how my own country (BANGLADESH) doing in ur webchart
Spaces, capitals, punctuation and correct spelling are required, it's too fucking hard to understand what you're saying. I assume you have a full keyboard and not a mobile phone keypad to type with.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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We were going over our analytics the other day and a question came up: "Why don't Indians buy software?". We sell a small to medium sized business application online and we have regular sales in over 70 countries. In our web analytics we see India quite high on the list of countries where people download our software, very high, like fifth out of all countries, as well Indians regularly request a full trial license from us to fully test our software so we know they are engaged and interested. The mystery is that in over a decade in business we still have zero sales to India, not one single one. This despite thousands of downloads by Indians. The countries below India in downloads, even *way* below India still account for a large amount of sales. It's not piracy, we monitor that regularly. We've contacted the Indian people who requested a license as we do everyone and we always get an answer like "We thoroughly checked it out and decided to go with another package". Is there some kind of cultural thing we're not getting? Is it that they will always try to find a local equivalent if they can? Does anyone have a theory as to this mystifying behaviour?
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Can you detect if they're running your full trial software in a VM and simply resetting the VM to avoid the trial limits?
Best wishes, Hans
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Can you detect if they're running your full trial software in a VM and simply resetting the VM to avoid the trial limits?
Best wishes, Hans
Or if a Hindi version of the product is being sold openly. :~
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Can you detect if they're running your full trial software in a VM and simply resetting the VM to avoid the trial limits?
Best wishes, Hans
As I said we've been doing this for a while, the limits aren't based on dates at all. :) No system is perfect, ours is reasonable and effective enough. This whole topic of piracy has been discussed to death here over the last decade or so, it might be new to some but it's old hat to many of us. :)
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As I said we've been doing this for a while, the limits aren't based on dates at all. :) No system is perfect, ours is reasonable and effective enough. This whole topic of piracy has been discussed to death here over the last decade or so, it might be new to some but it's old hat to many of us. :)
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This whole topic of piracy has been discussed to death here over the last decade or so, it might be new to some but it's old hat to many of us.
No serious security vulnerability, including blatantly obvious ones, will be dealt with until there is overwhelming evidence and widespread recognition that adversaries have already catastrophically exploited it. In other words, “significant psychological (or literal) damage is required before any significant security changes will be made” :cool:
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As I said we've been doing this for a while, the limits aren't based on dates at all. :) No system is perfect, ours is reasonable and effective enough. This whole topic of piracy has been discussed to death here over the last decade or so, it might be new to some but it's old hat to many of us. :)
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All very true, but you are seeing many downloads and no purchases. Occam's answer: they don't need to buy it, because somewhere in India there is a crack/technique posted.
Best wishes, Hans
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All very true, but you are seeing many downloads and no purchases. Occam's answer: they don't need to buy it, because somewhere in India there is a crack/technique posted.
Best wishes, Hans
They are downloading *and* requesting limited trial license keys. If they had a crack they wouldn't need the trial license key. I'm going with Nish and Ravisant who mentioned lazy consultants outsourcing their research to India for this one.
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They are downloading *and* requesting limited trial license keys. If they had a crack they wouldn't need the trial license key. I'm going with Nish and Ravisant who mentioned lazy consultants outsourcing their research to India for this one.
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John C wrote:
They are downloading *and* requesting limited trial license keys. If they had a crack they wouldn't need the trial license key.
Most people will assume everything is secure until provided strong evidence to the contrary-exactly backwards from a reasonable approach. :~
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John C wrote:
They are downloading *and* requesting limited trial license keys. If they had a crack they wouldn't need the trial license key.
Most people will assume everything is secure until provided strong evidence to the contrary-exactly backwards from a reasonable approach. :~
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesCongratulations, you have succeeded in annoying the shit out of me. If that was your goal well then mission accomplished! I've said repeatedly that I'm not interested in re-opening a discussion about piracy in this thread, you've attempted repeatedly to open such a discussion. Start your own thread and shove off mine.
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Congratulations, you have succeeded in annoying the shit out of me. If that was your goal well then mission accomplished! I've said repeatedly that I'm not interested in re-opening a discussion about piracy in this thread, you've attempted repeatedly to open such a discussion. Start your own thread and shove off mine.
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Congratulations, you have succeeded in annoying the sh*t out of me.
It’ll often be considered “irresponsible” to point out security vulnerabilities (including the theoretical possibility that they might exist), but you’ll rarely be called irresponsible for ignoring or covering them up. :rolleyes:
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