What we are and what is this universe?
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Apparently you neglected to read the rest of our messages. ;P
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: He called himself the Son of God, so how can Muslims believe otherwise? Oh gosh, I wish someone had told me it was that easy before now... I David and the son of God. Build me temples and churches, send me gold, smellies and chocolate. Worship me daily and I will make sure you get into this wonderful place where you will live as one continuous orgasm for all enternity. After all, how can anyone disprove my claims? :~
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If Muslim's believe the teachings of Jesus (and they say that they do), then why don't they believe he is the Son of God if that is what he taught others who he was?
Jason Henderson
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Aisha Ikram wrote: you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. for example, i you have ever studied biology, it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell Where was this proven and by whom ? Perhaps science was not one of you better subjects or you have a religious bias toward certain aspects of it. I fully expect that "life" will be created by man in the next decade in the laboratory. That ought to put a dimple in the religious chin for sure. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
Richard Stringer wrote: I fully expect that "life" will be created by man in the next decade in the laboratory. That ought to put a dimple in the religious chin for sure. One dimple, coming up. :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2499119.stm[^] BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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KaЯl wrote: do you pretend being in the truth when we're not No. I want you to know the truth, as I also want to know the truth.
Jason Henderson
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Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans
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Apparently you neglected to read the rest of our messages. ;P
Jason Henderson
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Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans
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After reading David's message, do you understand now why we hated the English for centuries ? ;P:-D
Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans
:laugh: Its all clear to me now.
Jason Henderson
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice. now.... if only people would realize that and stop trying to convert me! Just because they believe something doesn't mean that I'm wrong in my belief. It's my choice to not believe everything stated by those people (if they even existed,...ooooh..them's fighting words!). That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Atlantys wrote: trying to convert me! really? I guess I was simply expressing my opinion. Atlantys wrote: It's my choice to not believe everything stated by those people Agree totally.
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Stan Shannon wrote: The laws of thermodynamics (including entropy) are only applicable to closed systems. Earth is not a closed system. And it applies only to systems where energy is static. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
It's been a long time since I took thermo, but isn't static energy implied by a closed system? i.e. energy is converted from one type to another, but remains constant. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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But if they had been able to do it, then people would have cried that "they were playing god", eh? And all kinds of craziness would have erupted. Stan Shannon wrote: Building blocks of life, yes. Life itself, no baby steps... baby steps. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
I firmly believe that the creation of artificial life is well within the reach of science, as it is a purely mechanistic process. But the obvious difficulty of doing so does beg the question of how it could have been accomplished in a relatively short period of time under very violent circumstances. Mysterious indeed. One cannot blame those who would give credit to a devine being. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Well, given the limitations of our own knowledge, we do not have any definitive answer. Then there are a group of people throughout the history of mankind who have answered these questions on behalf of the creator. They are called the messengers or prophets, namely Adam, Noah, Lot, Joseph, Jonah, David, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice.
We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice. (grin) It's not about accepting or not accepting. It's about knowing what to accept and not what to accept. I could equally say, "You have the choice to accept evolution or not". I've seen so many people mislead by so many false theories that I know it's about having a good reason to believe what you believe. Anything other than good evidence is just logical games we play with our own minds. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Paul Watson wrote: "I am not a follower of any organised/mass religion. I am still too young to be able to give you a standard answer to this. Many things I am still thinking about, many things I have yet to even start thinking about. I have much life left to live before I can claim any religion or belief system as my own." So you will choose your own religion with time, one which you think is true and you are not bound to choose any. Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Paul Watson wrote: Right now I believe in the universe and that that is all there is, which in itself is a lot. No being which stands outside of the universe and looks down on us. ok then what you think we have came from? and how did it happen. you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. for example, i you have ever studied biology, it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell. I wonder, if this is true and has been proven, from where did this very first living cell come from on earth which created other living things. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Paul Watson wrote: "I am not a follower of any organised/mass religion. I am still too young to be able to give you a standard answer to this. Many things I am still thinking about, many things I have yet to even start thinking about. I have much life left to live before I can claim any religion or belief system as my own." So you will choose your own religion with time, one which you think is true and you are not bound to choose any. Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Paul Watson wrote: Right now I believe in the universe and that that is all there is, which in itself is a lot. No being which stands outside of the universe and looks down on us. ok then what you think we have came from? and how did it happen. you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. for example, i you have ever studied biology, it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell. I wonder, if this is true and has been proven, from where did this very first living cell come from on earth which created other living things. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Nowhere. You go to the same place you were before you were born. You don't remember anything from before you were born? Over a billion (or thousands of years if that's your view) passed before your birth and you don't remember even a fraction of them? You were in oblivion. Your brain wasn't formed yet. And after you die, you'll be in the very same state - unfeeling, unknowing oblivion. you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. Is God alive? If so, how did God get created if life can only come from other life? If not, then how did God create us (i.e. life)? A more interesting thought is not "where did life come from?" because there are ways to explain that. Rather, where did anything at all come from? This "stuff" all around us - the matter and energy of the universe. The stuff that the big bang was composed of. I don't really know. Perhaps science will find a solution. But, I can't really say for sure that science will - hence it is faith to say that science will explain it. Unfortunately, even if we accept that a "god" created the matter of the universe, it doesn't really say much about who god is. Afterall, maybe god is simply the being who created a universe with the laws which enabled it to produce life. That's a big thing, but it doesn't indicate whether god cares at all about humans. To him, we could seem like tiny little creatures with tiny little brains - similar to the way we look at ants. If god exists, I think there is a lot you can learn about him by looking at the world. Evolution itself is a brutal means to create life. You certainly can't point to Jesus on the mount of olives saying "the meek shall inhert the earth" and think that that's all there is to God. Afterall, at the very least, God used evolution to create life. Evolution relies on the weak being killed (or failing to mate) more freqently than the strong. Life on this planet is locked into a brutal struggle of kill or be killed. If a lion decided it didn't want to kill anymore it would starve (in fact, all large cats lack the biology to survive on a vegetarian diet). Earth is (almost) an entire planet of animals trapped in a system of kill or be killed - both preditor and prey. Inflicting death on the animal below it, trying like crazy not to have death inflicted on it from the animal above. If Go
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If Muslim's believe the teachings of Jesus (and they say that they do), then why don't they believe he is the Son of God if that is what he taught others who he was?
Jason Henderson
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David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: Ever heard of Darwin? Brian Azzopardi wrote: Ever heard of Darwin? Brian Azzopardi wrote: Ever heard of Darwin? So you are a follower of Darwin? :cool: Seriously, it's very sad that humans think they are so almighty that there couldn't possibly be something greater than them that they can't understand. I find it quite surprising that dev's, who spend their entire lives thinking outside the box, are prepared to have this limitation in their minds, instead of exploring the possibilities.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages A moment of silence please. A programmer's best friend has passed beyond that great exception in the sky.... - Mark Conger on "The coffee machine has died"
Megan Forbes wrote: So you are a follower of Darwin? :laugh: @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Shaun Wilde wrote: Lets take the 10 commandments the main basis for 3 of the worlds main religions Really ? Which ones ? Judaism I'll give you, Christianity is built on Jesus explanation of the commandments - 'love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbour as yourself'. And Islam rejects Christ and the Bible in all but lip service. Shaun Wilde wrote: 8 of them contain 'shalt not' not 'shall'. Pretty negative don't you think? Let's review them - don't kill people, don't steal, don't build resentment for your friends by desiring the things they have, don't mistreat your parents, which of these things strikes you as having a negative impact on society ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote And Islam rejects Christ and the Bible in all but lip service. Islam never rejected the Christ and Bible. Islam believes the existance of Christ and the Maryam. Islam differs to the point where they are said to be SON of GOD. sorry for English\Grammer\Spelling mistakes.
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: that they used to kill people for doubting them. It's a shame that so many judge God by those who falsely claim to follow Him. For the record, religion being used as an excuse to wage war is as old as religion itself. That does not make God wrong. Brian Azzopardi wrote: There is nothing greater than human beings and there is everything. What a sad world you inhabit if you believe this. Brian Azzopardi wrote: Religion is full of dogma, constantly closing doors. That is true. Relgion is generally also not about God. Brian Azzopardi wrote: Science and people of a curios nature always leave the door open to the unknown, waiting, indeed, hoping for the next new thing. It sounds to me like science is your religion. You're wrong though. Scientists are also people, and for every scientist that presents bad science to support his misreading of the Bible ( for example the young earth theory ), there are 100 that ignore the evidence before them regarding the creator. Have you seen the BBC series 'The Human Body' ? He talks often of amazing design, and of things that simply could not evolve ( for example the process of birth, had it at any stage not existed, would have rendered us extinct ), and then goes on to explain what he was taught at school, and what his mind has been closed to accept without question. Brian Azzopardi wrote: You surely cant be certain he/she/it exists? What proof do you have? Not believing is not a sign of arrogance, it's just facing the facts. I have never met you, therefore I presume you do not exist. Is this a logical or sensible course of action for me to take ? Or should I presume I simply haven't tried to meet you, nor have I had the chance. I am certain God exists because I have seen many healings such as that Megan mentioned, because I've been healed by God myself, and because the Bible lays down a specific promise to people willing to ask God to show that He exists. That experience was, is and will always be proof enough to me that God exists, and that's exactly the way He planned it. Brian Azzopardi wrote: When was the last time the pope was waiting for the next new thing? Doesn't he invent them himself, and claim inspiration from God for doing so ? Seriously, organised religion had nothing to do with God when Jesus came, why would it be different n
Christian Graus wrote: Brian Azzopardi wrote: You surely cant be certain he/she/it exists? What proof do you have? Not believing is not a sign of arrogance, it's just facing the facts. I have never met you, therefore I presume you do not exist. Is this a logical or sensible course of action for me to take ? Or should I presume I simply haven't tried to meet you, nor have I had the chance. I am certain God exists because I have seen many healings such as that Megan mentioned, because I've been healed by God myself, and because the Bible lays down a specific promise to people willing to ask God to show that He exists. That experience was, is and will always be proof enough to me that God exists, and that's exactly the way He planned it. I fully agree with you on this and on many other points. :-O @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote And Islam rejects Christ and the Bible in all but lip service. Islam never rejected the Christ and Bible. Islam believes the existance of Christ and the Maryam. Islam differs to the point where they are said to be SON of GOD. sorry for English\Grammer\Spelling mistakes.
Exactly. I am aware that Islam invents a Christ who denies the claims that He made in the Bible. Hence they reject Christ. Inventing their own does not change that. If you're a follower of Islam, I'd be happy to explain to you why Islam cannot co-exist with Christianity, or Jesus. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Shaun Wilde wrote: Lets take the 10 commandments the main basis for 3 of the worlds main religions Really ? Which ones ? Judaism I'll give you, Christianity is built on Jesus explanation of the commandments - 'love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbour as yourself'. And Islam rejects Christ and the Bible in all but lip service. Shaun Wilde wrote: 8 of them contain 'shalt not' not 'shall'. Pretty negative don't you think? Let's review them - don't kill people, don't steal, don't build resentment for your friends by desiring the things they have, don't mistreat your parents, which of these things strikes you as having a negative impact on society ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Islam rejects Christ and the Bible in all Islam does NOT reject christ or bible. It's just that Islam says : "God has no SON or DAUGHTER" @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote: Islam rejects Christ and the Bible in all Islam does NOT reject christ or bible. It's just that Islam says : "God has no SON or DAUGHTER" @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Islam used the name of Christ to gain respectability and heritage. However, while it uses the name of Christ in vain, it does not preach or believe Him. Both you and the prior poster have answered the question. If Islam is right, the Christ is a liar, and not one to follow in any case. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Islam used the name of Christ to gain respectability and heritage. However, while it uses the name of Christ in vain, it does not preach or believe Him. Both you and the prior poster have answered the question. If Islam is right, the Christ is a liar, and not one to follow in any case. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
ooops... take it easy Graus :). you know, i created this thread just to know what other people think about their existance and their purpose and all... the questions that usually come to my mind... but i think most of the people are taking it in some other direction. i would say all of the people that please remain cool :), we are intelligent, open-minded people and we respect each other's religions and believes. There is nothing to fight on, be patient. @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?