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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
This sounds like one of those Friday afternoon questions, when we are trying to dodge out of doing work. Heres my theory. I made everything, I created a universe with a bit of memory allocation, however I was running on a 16 bit system and I overflowed the int so it allocated negative memory. Things kind of went out of control from there. I created life and then I created happiness, but to balance out all those happy people I created love - which pretty much put paid to the happiness. :-D Did you really expect a serious answer, Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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This sounds like one of those Friday afternoon questions, when we are trying to dodge out of doing work. Heres my theory. I made everything, I created a universe with a bit of memory allocation, however I was running on a 16 bit system and I overflowed the int so it allocated negative memory. Things kind of went out of control from there. I created life and then I created happiness, but to balance out all those happy people I created love - which pretty much put paid to the happiness. :-D Did you really expect a serious answer, Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
I think Fat Bottomed girls made the rocking universe and that Small Bottomed girls made the Fat Bottomed girls, to feel better about themselves of course. Because of course you would not know if you had a fat bottom or not unless there were other fat and small bottomed girls to compare with... ;P (Playing that song now...) Michael P Butler wrote: This sounds like one of those Friday afternoon questions, when we are trying to dodge out of doing work. hehe, could be, could be, maybe my subconcious is hinting something :) Actually it is just one of those questions I have rattling around in my head and realised I had never tortured my beloved CPians with it. :-D Michael P Butler wrote: I made everything, I created a universe with a bit of memory allocation, however I was running on a 16 bit system and I overflowed the int so it allocated negative memory. Things kind of went out of control from there. From me and all other humans; Why the hell didn't you implement a proper testing department dammit! Look at the suffering you have caused! :rolleyes: Actually a friend tells me the same thing... that we are in some vastly complex Matrix style computer. He reckons that answers my question and does not get that something had to have created the Matrix as well... and something had to have created that which created the Matrix... and so forth. I am reasonably happy with never finding a plausible answer to this question. But I would still like someone to at least try :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Wonder (which comes at the cost of not understanding) is one of the most fun things in life! :-D I wish I could remember who said "He who breaks a thing in order to understand how it works is a fool." Unfortunately it seems we humans are on that path with our entire planet right now. :| Now get your ass up signal hill and watch the sunset / moon rise! :cool:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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I always like Terry Pratchett's comment on this: "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded." :-D Kevin
Kevin Glover wrote: "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded." LOL! I forgot about that one. Excellent, thanks :) From now on when people ask what I believe when it comes to creation I will simply say: "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded" :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Before: There is no "before" before the beginning of time. The mere concept of "time" goes along with the existance of the universe (be it by big bang, or god sneezing it out). There is a zero. I believe in an imperfect*) "Creator" - who created the world by accident, or just for fun. As much as we cannot "grasp" god, he cannot grasp us (in a similar way quantum physics tend to evade the human mind). He's probably not even aware of our existence. It may have been a god in the classic sense, it may have been aliens, it may have been Daeniken himself, I really don't care. It's most likely inspired by "Solaris" (see next rant) You find quite some creation ideas along the line when reading Lem. Like, in one story he postulates an information-energy equivalent (in the same way E=mc2 describes an mass-energy - equivalent). "So got counted from infinity to zero, and the world was born." Interesting point: The type of informaton doesn't matter. It might have been all rubbish. Looking out of my window, I see a yard, with cobblestones arranged in circles, a bench to sit on, scrubs around it, a tree, bare, naked except for the ivy. I see, I feel a "cration" - be it random, be it by god almighty, be it by intent: It doesn't matter. The beauty of the creation is there, for all of us to see. It's, of course, no answer. But I'm not afraid of the question.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Wonder (which comes at the cost of not understanding) is one of the most fun things in life! :-D I wish I could remember who said "He who breaks a thing in order to understand how it works is a fool." Unfortunately it seems we humans are on that path with our entire planet right now. :| Now get your ass up signal hill and watch the sunset / moon rise! :cool:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: Wonder (which comes at the cost of not understanding) is one of the most fun things in life! I wish I could remember who said "He who breaks a thing in order to understand how it works is a fool." Unfortunately it seems we humans are on that path with our entire planet right now. Hey! Stop hijacking my thread already! :-D This was about creationism not tree hugging vegeterianism. Ok, ok, so I get your point. But I am wondering about the origins of everything. And while I certainly am in no position, being only a minor deity, to pull apart the universe to find out where it came from, I do think understanding something and wanting to know where it came from are two different things. Megan Forbes wrote: I wish I could remember who said "He who breaks a thing in order to understand how it works is a fool." Not sure if it was an original but I read that in Terry Prachettes Thief of Time recently. The old time dude said it, forgot his name :) Megan Forbes wrote: Now get your ass up signal hill and watch the sunset / moon rise! :) care to join me?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Before: There is no "before" before the beginning of time. The mere concept of "time" goes along with the existance of the universe (be it by big bang, or god sneezing it out). There is a zero. I believe in an imperfect*) "Creator" - who created the world by accident, or just for fun. As much as we cannot "grasp" god, he cannot grasp us (in a similar way quantum physics tend to evade the human mind). He's probably not even aware of our existence. It may have been a god in the classic sense, it may have been aliens, it may have been Daeniken himself, I really don't care. It's most likely inspired by "Solaris" (see next rant) You find quite some creation ideas along the line when reading Lem. Like, in one story he postulates an information-energy equivalent (in the same way E=mc2 describes an mass-energy - equivalent). "So got counted from infinity to zero, and the world was born." Interesting point: The type of informaton doesn't matter. It might have been all rubbish. Looking out of my window, I see a yard, with cobblestones arranged in circles, a bench to sit on, scrubs around it, a tree, bare, naked except for the ivy. I see, I feel a "cration" - be it random, be it by god almighty, be it by intent: It doesn't matter. The beauty of the creation is there, for all of us to see. It's, of course, no answer. But I'm not afraid of the question.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
peterchen wrote: Before: There is no "before" before the beginning of time. The mere concept of "time" goes along with the existance of the universe (be it by big bang, or god sneezing it out). There is a zero. Which is why I quoted the word before because I totally understand there was no before, no nothing, no ----------------------------------------. However to pose the question one must use common concepts to act as the launching pad. peterchen wrote: I believe in an imperfect*) "Creator" - who created the world by accident, or just for fun. As much as we cannot "grasp" god, he cannot grasp us (in a similar way quantum physics tend to evade the human mind Fine, but who created your imperfect creator? How did he come to be. How did he get into a position to be able to create, whether by accident or not, our universe? peterchen wrote: Looking out of my window, I see a yard, with cobblestones arranged in circles, a bench to sit on, scrubs around it, a tree, bare, naked except for the ivy. I see, I feel a "cration" - be it random, be it by god almighty, be it by intent: It doesn't matter. The beauty of the creation is there, for all of us to see. I am not trying to invalidate or lessen the beauty of the creation. I love it as much as you peterchen and revel in it as much as possible. I am glad it is. I simply want to know where it came from. I have no ulterior motives to wanting to know that fact, other than to be able to put aside this nagging, scary question. Can you explain to me how come you are not scared by the enormity and implacations of this question? Simply not having the potential to understand god, the creator and the "begining" to me is not an answer. I was thinking that even if we remove time from it all that things still involve an action and a reaction.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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peterchen wrote: Before: There is no "before" before the beginning of time. The mere concept of "time" goes along with the existance of the universe (be it by big bang, or god sneezing it out). There is a zero. Which is why I quoted the word before because I totally understand there was no before, no nothing, no ----------------------------------------. However to pose the question one must use common concepts to act as the launching pad. peterchen wrote: I believe in an imperfect*) "Creator" - who created the world by accident, or just for fun. As much as we cannot "grasp" god, he cannot grasp us (in a similar way quantum physics tend to evade the human mind Fine, but who created your imperfect creator? How did he come to be. How did he get into a position to be able to create, whether by accident or not, our universe? peterchen wrote: Looking out of my window, I see a yard, with cobblestones arranged in circles, a bench to sit on, scrubs around it, a tree, bare, naked except for the ivy. I see, I feel a "cration" - be it random, be it by god almighty, be it by intent: It doesn't matter. The beauty of the creation is there, for all of us to see. I am not trying to invalidate or lessen the beauty of the creation. I love it as much as you peterchen and revel in it as much as possible. I am glad it is. I simply want to know where it came from. I have no ulterior motives to wanting to know that fact, other than to be able to put aside this nagging, scary question. Can you explain to me how come you are not scared by the enormity and implacations of this question? Simply not having the potential to understand god, the creator and the "begining" to me is not an answer. I was thinking that even if we remove time from it all that things still involve an action and a reaction.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: How did he come to be. Maybe a spontaneous "event" - much like particle tunneling can be explained by "borrowing" energy for a short time. (again, an idea you find when reading Lem, I'm really surprised right now how many thoughts I consider "fitting" for questions like yours, can be traced back to him. My parents should really have taken more care of what I was reading!) Maybe our thoughts created it: we live in an supporting-each-other scenario, where one bootstrapped the other. Maybe it's an entity, unaware of space, time, everything. An entity that just *is*. Maybe this entity is what ve call "void". Maybe we are this entity, and merely dreaming. :cool:
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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Megan Forbes wrote: Wonder (which comes at the cost of not understanding) is one of the most fun things in life! I wish I could remember who said "He who breaks a thing in order to understand how it works is a fool." Unfortunately it seems we humans are on that path with our entire planet right now. Hey! Stop hijacking my thread already! :-D This was about creationism not tree hugging vegeterianism. Ok, ok, so I get your point. But I am wondering about the origins of everything. And while I certainly am in no position, being only a minor deity, to pull apart the universe to find out where it came from, I do think understanding something and wanting to know where it came from are two different things. Megan Forbes wrote: I wish I could remember who said "He who breaks a thing in order to understand how it works is a fool." Not sure if it was an original but I read that in Terry Prachettes Thief of Time recently. The old time dude said it, forgot his name :) Megan Forbes wrote: Now get your ass up signal hill and watch the sunset / moon rise! :) care to join me?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: care to join me? You are a cruel man! Only 13 sleeps to go (as my mother-in-law said in an email today) :-D
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Trying to explain the nature of God and the universe with our limited understanding is futile, IMHO.
Jason Henderson
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Well, it seems whatever was before 11/18/1970 @ 12:04PM, or Beginning of Time as I call it, is quite irrelevant to me. I can not know how it all came to be. And so I leave it as a mystery. I haven't read this yet, but it looks organized, and so it must have alot of good solid facts. http://www.world-mysteries.com/[^] BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
So how did the universe evolve, or rather what did it evolve from? Are you a Big Banger? with chips, perhaps? ;) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. :laugh: BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
See "Cat's Cradle" for a full explanation. Bokonon was right - it says so here on the label. "My child was Inmate of the Month at Mohave County Jail" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City, AZ
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Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
Rickard Andersson wrote: There is no damn God! There is no proof either way. Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong?
Jason Henderson
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So how did the universe evolve, or rather what did it evolve from? Are you a Big Banger? with chips, perhaps? ;) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: Are you a Big Banger? with chips :laugh:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein