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  • P Paul Watson

    Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
    Cape Town, South Africa

    Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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    Trying to explain the nature of God and the universe with our limited understanding is futile, IMHO.

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    • P Paul Watson

      Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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      Well, it seems whatever was before 11/18/1970 @ 12:04PM, or Beginning of Time as I call it, is quite irrelevant to me. I can not know how it all came to be. And so I leave it as a mystery. I haven't read this yet, but it looks organized, and so it must have alot of good solid facts. http://www.world-mysteries.com/[^] BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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      • P Paul Watson

        Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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        Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!

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        • P Paul Watson

          Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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          Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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            Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!

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            So how did the universe evolve, or rather what did it evolve from? Are you a Big Banger? with chips, perhaps? ;) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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              Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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              Stan Shannon wrote: Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. :laugh: BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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              • P Paul Watson

                Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                See "Cat's Cradle" for a full explanation. Bokonon was right - it says so here on the label. "My child was Inmate of the Month at Mohave County Jail" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City, AZ

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                  Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!

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                  Rickard Andersson wrote: There is no damn God! There is no proof either way. Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong?

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                    So how did the universe evolve, or rather what did it evolve from? Are you a Big Banger? with chips, perhaps? ;) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                    brianwelsch wrote: Are you a Big Banger? with chips :laugh:


                    I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                    • P Paul Watson

                      Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                      Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Serious answer? "God is God - and I am not. I can only see a part of the picture he's painting" * That's probably the best explanation any of us humans with finite minds will ever be able to come up with, till death anyway. :) * if anyone can tell me who said that I'll hand over my precious kudo's from the CP newsletter testing yesterday to them :cool:


                      I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                        Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Serious answer? "God is God - and I am not. I can only see a part of the picture he's painting" * That's probably the best explanation any of us humans with finite minds will ever be able to come up with, till death anyway. :) * if anyone can tell me who said that I'll hand over my precious kudo's from the CP newsletter testing yesterday to them :cool:


                        I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                        Megan Forbes wrote: "God is God - and I am not. I can only see a part of the picture he's painting" Thanks for giving me a serious answer, contrary to this being the Soapbox I was looking for serious thoughts on the matter. Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though :)

                        Paul Watson
                        Bluegrass
                        Cape Town, South Africa

                        Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                          Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! That is my thought! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!

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                          Rickard Andersson wrote: Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Talk about taking me out of context! Rickard Andersson wrote: Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! I was not asking about God. And evolution does not disprove God in anyway.

                          Paul Watson
                          Bluegrass
                          Cape Town, South Africa

                          Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                          • P Paul Watson

                            Megan Forbes wrote: "God is God - and I am not. I can only see a part of the picture he's painting" Thanks for giving me a serious answer, contrary to this being the Soapbox I was looking for serious thoughts on the matter. Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though :)

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                            Paul Watson wrote: Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? Interesting how there are a couple of topics that all people feel strongly about - even if that strong feeling is to defend neutrality. Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe. :)


                            I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                              Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                              Stan Shannon wrote: Yes. Must be late in the day because I don't understand the significance or meaning. Or are you just saying "Yes you can honestly explain." If so, please do, I am all ears :)

                              Paul Watson
                              Bluegrass
                              Cape Town, South Africa

                              Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                              • M Megan Forbes

                                Paul Watson wrote: Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? Interesting how there are a couple of topics that all people feel strongly about - even if that strong feeling is to defend neutrality. Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe. :)


                                I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                                Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe :~ I don't for a moment think we are different. I would be blowing up Israeli tanks and buses as well if I was a Palestinian. Just as I would be demolishing Arafat's compound and hunting his croonies down if I was an Israeli. It is in all of us IMO. Megan Forbes wrote: To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? I guess my question asks more about where did your creator come from Meg? What created him/her/it? And then what created that being, and so forth. No offense but to the "how can I expect to understand the minds of gods" arguement is not along what I am asking. The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it?

                                Paul Watson
                                Bluegrass
                                Cape Town, South Africa

                                Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                                  Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe :~ I don't for a moment think we are different. I would be blowing up Israeli tanks and buses as well if I was a Palestinian. Just as I would be demolishing Arafat's compound and hunting his croonies down if I was an Israeli. It is in all of us IMO. Megan Forbes wrote: To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? I guess my question asks more about where did your creator come from Meg? What created him/her/it? And then what created that being, and so forth. No offense but to the "how can I expect to understand the minds of gods" arguement is not along what I am asking. The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it?

                                  Paul Watson
                                  Bluegrass
                                  Cape Town, South Africa

                                  Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                                  Paul Watson wrote: The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it? No - it'll be the first question on my list when I die :-D. The second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... :rolleyes:


                                  I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                                  • P Paul Watson

                                    Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?

                                    Paul Watson
                                    Bluegrass
                                    Cape Town, South Africa

                                    Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                                    12 billion years ago, two hyperspheres of M-space collided in the 13th dimension. The resulting release of energy caused an imperfection on one of them, which evolved into our universe.* Simple, really. ;P OK, Chris, if you see Santa again, get him to send one of those life thingies my way! As Douglas Adams said, whenever someone solves the universe, it gets replaced with something much more complicated. This may have happened several times already. Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. *Does that mean our universe is nothing more than a wrinkle on God's balls?


                                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                      Paul Watson wrote: The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it? No - it'll be the first question on my list when I die :-D. The second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... :rolleyes:


                                      I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein

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                                      Megan Forbes wrote: second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. :-O I am humbled Megan Forbes wrote: Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... LOL Frankly, my idea of paradise/heaven/valhalla involves a grand total of 1 computer. That 1 computer would be in the Encyclopedia Galactica building with the label "primitive annoying device." ;)

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                                      Bluegrass
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                                        12 billion years ago, two hyperspheres of M-space collided in the 13th dimension. The resulting release of energy caused an imperfection on one of them, which evolved into our universe.* Simple, really. ;P OK, Chris, if you see Santa again, get him to send one of those life thingies my way! As Douglas Adams said, whenever someone solves the universe, it gets replaced with something much more complicated. This may have happened several times already. Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. *Does that mean our universe is nothing more than a wrinkle on God's balls?


                                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                        Richard_D wrote: Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. What I was thinking. Even when the odds are not in my favour, I still like to ask and see if maybe, just maybe, an answer lies in someones mind. Still... I find the "what created the thing that created X?" line of thinking quite terrifying and very frustrating. I have no clue how you lot can just skirt around it without worrying :)

                                        Paul Watson
                                        Bluegrass
                                        Cape Town, South Africa

                                        Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                                          Richard_D wrote: Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. What I was thinking. Even when the odds are not in my favour, I still like to ask and see if maybe, just maybe, an answer lies in someones mind. Still... I find the "what created the thing that created X?" line of thinking quite terrifying and very frustrating. I have no clue how you lot can just skirt around it without worrying :)

                                          Paul Watson
                                          Bluegrass
                                          Cape Town, South Africa

                                          Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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                                          Paul Watson wrote: I have no clue how you lot can just skirt around it without worrying One word: :beer:, and lots of it! :-D


                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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